Find the kinetic energy of the system

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In the discussion about calculating the kinetic energy of two bighorn rams in an elastic collision, participants emphasize the importance of using both conservation of momentum and conservation of kinetic energy. One user attempts to derive the initial velocity of the alpha male using a quadratic equation, expressing uncertainty about the complexity of the solution. Another participant clarifies that elastic collisions require both conservation principles to be applied correctly. The conversation highlights the need for careful calculations, as the quadratic equation will yield two solutions, one of which represents a scenario where the rams miss each other. Overall, the discussion centers on the correct application of physics principles to solve the problem.
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The question states: two adult bighorn rams butt heads in an elastic collision. the alpha male 136kg moves slower than his challenger that's 113kg. If the challenger collides at 8m/s and is repelled at 6m/s, find the kinetic energy of the system and the percent increase in speed that the alpha male experience.


I tried to solve the problem by using the conservation of momentum. However, since I don't know the initial nor final velocity of the alpha male, I decided to use the conservation of kinetic energy and find the Vi in terms of Vf. but that means I have to solve a v^2+v+c=0 (sorry, forgot what it was called). So i am not sure if i did it correctly since it is so complicated.
 
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hi milkyway11! :smile:

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milkyway11 said:
… in an elastic collision …

… I decided to use the conservation of kinetic energy …

"elastic" collision means that you must use conservation of energy (as well as conservation of momentum, which applies in all collisions)
… but that means I have to solve a v^2+v+c=0 (sorry, forgot what it was called). So i am not sure if i did it correctly since it is so complicated.

(it's a quadratic equation :smile: …)

it has to have two solutions, because one solution will always be for the two objects to completely miss each other, won't it? :biggrin:
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi milkyway11! :smile:

(try using the X2 and X2 icons just above the Reply box :wink:)


"elastic" collision means that you must use conservation of energy (as well as conservation of momentum, which applies in all collisions)


(it's a quadratic equation :smile: …)

it has to have two solutions, because one solution will always be for the two objects to completely miss each other, won't it? :biggrin:
 
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