Find the Maximum Height of an Inverted Garbage Can Suspended by a Geyser

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The problem involves an inverted garbage can suspended by water from a geyser, with the goal of determining the maximum height the can can reach. The discussion centers around the forces acting on the can, the momentum change during water collisions, and the relationship between the given parameters such as weight, water speed, and mass flow rate.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the momentum change of the water as it collides with the can and question the assumptions about the water's behavior post-collision. There are attempts to derive the maximum height using the given parameters, but inconsistencies in results prompt further inquiry into the underlying physics.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the original poster's calculations and seek clarification on the assumptions made regarding the water's motion. There is a suggestion that the original formula may not align with the provided numerical example, indicating a potential misinterpretation of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between calculated values and expected results based on provided parameters. The discussion includes considerations of gravitational effects and the dynamics of water flow, which may influence the outcome.

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Homework Statement


An inverted garbage can of weight ##W## is suspended in air by water from a geyser. The water shoots up the ground with speed ##v_0##, at a constant rate ##dm/dt##. The problem is to find the maximum height at which garbage can rides.

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Suppose the garbage can is at its highest position ##h##.

Then the velocity of elementary mass ##\Delta m## just before collision with the can would be ##\sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh}## and velocity after collision would be zero.

So change in momentum would be ##\Delta P = - \Delta m \sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh}##

Or the force on the can would be ##F = \sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh} \dfrac{dm}{dt}##

Since the forces on the can is balanced, therefore ##W = \sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh} \dfrac{dm}{dt}##,

Solving for ##h## I got ##\displaystyle h = \dfrac{1}{2g}\left(v_0^2 - \left(W \over \dfrac{dm}{dt}\right)^2 \right)##

This is incorrect.

Where am I incorrect ?
 
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Buffu said:
This is incorrect.
It all looks right to me. Do you know what the answer is supposed to be?
 
Buffu said:
velocity after collision would be zero.

So where does the water go ?
 
Nidum said:
So where does the water go ?
It falls. I do not see any basis for claiming that the water bounces off the bucket, or in any other way makes a greater contribution to supporting it. The bucket could be significantly wider than the jet.
 
haruspex said:
It all looks right to me. Do you know what the answer is supposed to be?

A clue was given; if ##v_0 = 20m/s##, ##W = 10 kg##, ##dm/dt = 0.5 kg/s## then ##h = 17 m##.

These values does not match when I put it into my formula :(.

@Nidum It falls down under gravity.
 
Buffu said:
A clue was given; if ##v_0 = 20m/s##, ##W = 10 kg##, ##dm/dt = 0.5 kg/s## then ##h = 17 m##.

These values does not match when I put it into my formula :(.

@Nidum It falls down under gravity.
I assume you mean W=10N.
That answer is clearly wrong. 20m/s is the speed at which the water needs to be moving when it reaches the bucket.
If you use g=9.8m/s2 and v0=27m/s it works out quite accurately to 17m.
 
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