Finding a Basis for Perpendicular Vectors in R4

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the subspace of R4 consisting of vectors that are perpendicular to the vectors (1,1,0,0) and (1,0,1,1). Participants explore the implications of the dot product and the process of row reducing a matrix to find the relationships between the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of the dot product to establish conditions for perpendicularity and the subsequent row reduction of a matrix to derive equations. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the row reduction process and the interpretation of the resulting equations in terms of finding a basis.

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Some participants have provided guidance on solving the linear equations derived from the row-reduced form, suggesting that the original poster express the variables in terms of parameters. There is acknowledgment that the vectors identified are indeed perpendicular and linearly independent, leading to a basis for the subspace.

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Participants express uncertainty about the row reduction process and the interpretation of the results, indicating a need for clarification on the definitions of basis and span in the context of vector spaces.

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Homework Statement


Find a basis for each of these subspaces of R4

All vectors that are perpendicular to (1,1,0,0) and (1,0,1,1)

2. The attempt at a solution
I'm not sure how to approach this question. The only thing I can think of is that a vector that would be perpendicular to both would be where the dot product would equal zero aye?

So then that would give me

1x1 + 1x2 = 1x1 + 1x3 + 1x4 = 0.
So in which case, I'd do RREF
[[1,1,0,0]
[1,0,1,1]]

to

[[1,0,1,1]
[0,1,-1,-1]]

I get stuck here because I'm not sure how to solve for the basis at this point.
I'm also unsure if what I did for rref was correct because vectors are usually denoted by column spaces, rather than what row spaces such as what I have done.
 
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That's the right start. But now you have to solve the linear equations. You've got 2 equations in 4 unknowns. You should be able to express the vector (a,b,c,d) in terms of two parameters by eliminating two unknowns. Can you do that?
 
I'm not sure if this is what I'm supposed to do but

Given that I have the RREF form, that gives me
x1 + x3 + x4 = 0
x2 - x3 - x4 = 0

Given that x1 and x2 are pivots, this gives me
x1 = -x3 - x4
x2 = x3 + x4

So, if I substitute x3 and x4 with a and b, this makes my basis the span of <-1,1,1,0> and <-1,1,0,1> ?
 
Well, both of those vectors are perpendicular to the given vectors. And they are linearly independent, so sure, they are a basis. The subspace they span is the perpendicular subspace, the span itself isn't a 'basis'. Those two vectors are a basis.
 
Ah, your help was much appreciated.
 

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