Finding a normal subgroup H of Zmn of order m

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The problem involves finding a normal subgroup H of the group Zmn of order m, where m and n are positive integers, and demonstrating that H is isomorphic to Zm. The discussion centers around group theory concepts, particularly the properties of cyclic groups and isomorphisms.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between Zmn and Zm x Zn, questioning the implications of their isomorphism. There are attempts to define a subgroup H and to establish its properties, including its isomorphism to Zm. Some participants suggest specific elements and structures to consider, while others raise questions about constructing appropriate functions for isomorphism.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing thoughts on subgroup construction and isomorphism. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential functions and theorems that may aid in proving isomorphism, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of group theory and the specific properties of cyclic groups. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in constructing functions and understanding the implications of isomorphisms.

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Homework Statement


Find a normal subgroup H of Zmn of order m where m and n are positive integers. Show that H is isomorphic to Zm.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am honestly not even sure where to start. My initial thoughts were if Zmn was isomorphic to Zm x Zn then I could find a subgroup H from that group. However, I discovered that Zmn is isomorphic to Zm x Zn but the converse is not true. Any help would be appreciated.

Edit: If Zmn is cyclic has an element of order mn say x. Then nx has order m. Let H=⟨nx⟩.
Now I just need to show that H is isomorphic to Zm, by constructing an isomorphism.
 
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Rick Strut said:

Homework Statement


Find a normal subgroup H of Zmn of order m where m and n are positive integers. Show that H is isomorphic to Zm.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I am honestly not even sure where to start. My initial thoughts were if Zmn was isomorphic to Zm x Zn then I could find a subgroup H from that group. However, I discovered that Zmn is isomorphic to Zm x Zn but the converse is not true. Any help would be appreciated.

Edit: If Zmn is cyclic has an element of order mn say x. Then nx has order m. Let H=⟨nx⟩.
Now I just need to show that H is isomorphic to Zm, by constructing an isomorphism.

You are just working with numbers mod mn here. Just put x=1. Think about the set of numbers {0,n,2n,3n,...,(m-1)n} like in your edit. Can't you see a correspondence with {0,1,2,3,...,(m-1)}?
 
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Rick Strut said:
I discovered that Zmn is isomorphic to Zm x Zn but the converse is not true.
What do you mean by that? Shouldn't you make an "If...then..." statement in order to speak of a converse?

Now I just need to show that H is isomorphic to Zm, by constructing an isomorphism.
Instead of thinking about isomorphisms, you could think about a homomorphism and the "first isomorphism theorem" for groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism_theorem
 
I do. However, I don't see how to construct a function based on this. I apologize for not being clear but the goal is to construct a bijective homorphic function. Then I can conclude that they are isomorphic.
 
Rick Strut said:
I do. However, I don't see how to construct a function based on this. I apologize for not being clear but the goal is to construct a bijective homorphic function. Then I can conclude that they are isomorphic.

I would say try ##\phi(kn \pmod {nm})=k \pmod m## just from looking at it. Try to prove ##\phi## is an isomorphism.
 
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