Finding angles quickly in your head

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the relationships between angles in a free-body diagram related to a physics problem. Participants explore different methods for intuitively grasping angle relationships, particularly focusing on the angles denoted as \alpha and \theta.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why \alpha is considered equal to \theta, noting the need for a deeper understanding of the relationships involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the angles drawn in red in their diagram are clearly the same and can be used to establish that both \alpha and \theta add to 90 degrees with another angle.
  • A different approach is proposed where a participant visualizes the angles by "wiggling" the incline, observing that as the incline changes, \alpha and \theta change proportionally.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the specific angles being referenced in the context of adding to 90 degrees, indicating some confusion about the geometric relationships.
  • Another participant confirms that \alpha and the adjacent red angle together span a 90-degree angle, while \theta and the corresponding red angle in the larger triangle also sum to 90 degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of the angle relationships, with some expressing clarity while others remain confused about specific aspects of the geometry involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on visual representations and personal strategies for understanding angles, which may not be universally applicable. There are unresolved questions about the specific angles and their relationships in the diagrams presented.

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Here's the free-body diagram of a stupid physics problem I had:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5081/triangleey9.png

When going over this problem both my book and my lecturer say that \alpha = \theta (they actually don't even mention \alpha; they just write it as \theta to begin with. I just wrote the \alpha there myself) as if it's obvious and trivial. I don't see how it's obvious though. I had to draw out http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9138/triangle2sz6.png and figure that \beta+\alpha=90 and \beta+\theta=90 and therefore \alpha=\theta which took me a few minutes to figure out.

My question is, when you see my first image (the physics one) do you immediatley see that that angle is equal to \theta? Please tell me how you knew. I want to have this kind of intuition about things but I just don't see it. What relationships did you use? Is there another way to do it other than my alpha-beta thing?
 
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I see it like this, the angles I drew red in this picture are clearly the same:

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7542/triangleey9bhd1.png

and you can add either alpha or theta to get 90
 
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I take the image and kind of "wiggle" it around in my head...for instance...

If I move the incline so that \theta is a very small angle, it is clear that \alpha also becomes a very small angle (since Fg always points straight down).

If I move the incline so that it is almost straight up in the air, \theta becomes a large angle and so does \alpha. This is how I've learned to do it...it's simple, doesn't really require any geometrical work, and works pretty well for simpler configurations like this.
 
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gabee that's kind of a cool strategy. I'll try and keep that one in mind.

gerben I'm not seeing the last part of your post (add either to get 90). Do you mean add theta to the outer red angle or add alpha to the inner red angle? I don't see how you get 90.
 
well alpha and the red angle next to it span a 90 deg angle you can see that in the drawing, theta and the red angle in the large triangle must be 90 because the third angle in that large triangle is 90
 

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