Finding coefficient of kinetic friction from thermal energy?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a rope pulling a block, the increase in thermal energy, and the coefficient of kinetic friction. The work done by the rope is calculated to be approximately 30.12 J, with the thermal energy increase equating to the work done since the block moves at constant speed, indicating no change in mechanical energy. The coefficient of kinetic friction is derived using the relationship between thermal energy and the forces acting on the block, leading to a value of approximately 0.225 after corrections to the normal force calculation. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding energy conservation, particularly that the mechanical energy remains constant while thermal energy increases. The conversation highlights the collaborative nature of problem-solving in physics, aiding comprehension of the concepts involved.
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Homework Statement


"A rope is used to pull a ##\frac{357}{100}kg## block at constant speed ##\frac{203}{50}m## across a horizontal floor. The force on the block from the rope is ##\frac{768}{100}N## and directed ##15°## above the horizontal. What are (a) the work done by the rope's force, (b) the increase in thermal energy of the block-floor system, and (c) the coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the floor?"

Homework Equations


##W=ΔE_mec+ΔE_th=(ΔK+ΔU)+ΔE_th##
##ΔU=0##
##K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2##
##f_k=(mg)(sin\theta)##

The Attempt at a Solution


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(a) ##W=ΔK=F⋅Δx=(F)(cos\theta)(Δx)=(\frac{768}{100}N)(cos15°)(\frac{203}{50}m)=30.12J##.

(b) Then I use the relation ##W_{block-floor system}=-ΔE_{mec}+ΔE_{th}=0## to equate those two terms to each other, since the block releases mechanical energy, and gains thermal energy. Someone please correct me because I'm very sure that I am incorrect with this reasoning.

##ΔE_{th}=ΔE_{mec}=30.12J##

(c) Now I move onto finding the coefficient of static friction using the relation:

##ΔE_{th}=(f_k)(Δx)=(mg)(sin\theta)(μ_k)(Δx)##
##μ_k=\frac{ΔE_{th}}{(mg)(sin\theta)(Δx)}=\frac{(F)(cos\theta)(Δx)}{(mg)(sin\theta)(Δx)}=\frac{(F)(cot\theta)}{mg}=0.82##

I don't understand what it is that I'm doing wrong.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
(mg)(sinθ)
Please explain these factors.
 
That's the normal force.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
That's the normal force.
How do you deduce that?
 
It acts perpendicular to the motion. So I suppose that it is just ##F_N=mg##.
Edit: According to Wikipedia, it is "perpendicular to the surface of contact".
I'm still not getting the right numbers:

##μ_k=\frac{(F)(cos\theta)}{mg}=0.212##

Sorry for the multiple edits.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
just ##F_N=mg##.
Better, but still wrong. What forces acting on the block have at least some vertical component?
 
I'm guessing it's the rope tugging on the block. So is normal force: ##F_N=(mg)-(sin\theta)(F)##?

##μ_k=\frac{(F)(cos\theta)}{(mg)-(sin\theta)(F)}=0.225##

Awesome. Thanks!
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
I'm guessing it's the rope tugging on the block. So is normal force: ##F_N=(mg)-(sin\theta)(F)##?

##μ_k=\frac{(F)(cos\theta)}{(mg)-(sin\theta)(F)}=0.225##

Awesome. Thanks!
Ok!
 
Oh, one more thing. I need to verify if this is correct or not:

Eclair_de_XII said:
Then I use the relation ##W_{block−floorsystem}=−ΔE_{mec}+ΔE_{th}=0## to equate those two terms to each other, since the block releases mechanical energy, and gains thermal energy. Someone please correct me because I'm very sure that I am incorrect with this reasoning.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
(b) Then I use the relation ##W_{block−floorsystem}=−ΔE_{mec}+ΔE_{th}= 0## to equate those two terms to each other, since the block releases mechanical energy, and gains thermal energy. Someone please correct me because I'm very sure that I am incorrect with this reasoning.
It looks like you are missing the point of the energy conservation equation. The block is moving at constant velocity on a horizontal surface. Just on that piece of information, what is its change in mechanical energy?
 
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kuruman said:
The block is moving at constant velocity on a horizontal surface. Just on that piece of information, what is its change in mechanical energy?

Let's see... if there is no change in velocity, there is no change in kinetic energy. So assuming no change in potential energy, the mechanical energy does not change?
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
So assuming no change in potential energy, the mechanical energy does not change?

Hold on; this is a flat surface. There is no (gravitational) potential energy.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
Let's see... if there is no change in velocity, there is no change in kinetic energy. So assuming no change in potential energy, the mechanical energy does not change?
Correct. The mechanical energy does not change, i.e. ##\Delta E_{mec}=0##. If the relation ##W_{block−floorsystem}=−ΔE_{mec}+ΔE_{th}=0## were correct, it would imply that ##\Delta E_{th}=0## which is not happening. Look again at the very first equation you posted under "Relevant Equations". It becomes ##W=ΔE_{th}##. That's the equation to start from. It says that the work done on the block is entirely converted into thermal energy when the mechanical energy is not changing.
 
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I see. Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me. It's hard to learn this without collaboration.
 
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