Finding Cosets of Subgroups in Groups

In summary, the conversation discussed the problem of finding the orders of the group G and subgroup H, using Lagrange's theorem. The notational mistakes made by the person caused some errors in their attempt at a solution, but the correct orders can be found by fixing these mistakes. The conversation also mentioned listing the elements of H, which the person had not done in their attempt.
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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, how do I list the elements of H?

According to Lagrange's theorem if H is a subgroup of G then the number of distinct left (right) cosets of H in G is |G|\|H|.

So I must find the orders of G and H:

Since [tex]U(5)={1,2,3,4})[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 = \{ 1,2,3,4 \})[/tex], the order of

[tex]G=U(5) \oplus \mathbb{Z}_4 = (1,1),(1,2),(1,3),(1,4), (2,1),(2,2),(2,3),(2,4),(3,1),(3,2),(3,3),(3,4),(4,1),(4,2),(4,3),(4,4)[/tex]

So G has order 16.

H is generated by the element (4,3), where 4 is an element of U(5) and 3 is from Z4. I know that [tex]| \left\langle (4,3) \right\rangle | = |(4,3)|[/tex]. So I think

|H|=|(4,3)|=lcm(|4|,|3|)=12

Going back to lagrange's theorem |G|\|H|=16\12=4\3

But how could the number of cosets be a fraction? Could anyone please show me what I did wrong?
 
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Three notational problems:

1. What is [tex]U(5)[/tex]? Is it the group [tex](\mathbb{Z}/(5))^\times[/tex], the multiplicative group of units of the integers modulo 5?

2. If [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4[/tex] represents the additive group of integers modulo 4, it is conventional to choose representatives [tex]\{0, 1, 2, 3\}[/tex] rather than [tex]\{1, 2, 3, 4\}[/tex].

3. The order of an element of a group (as opposed to the order of a group) is not written with absolute value bars. Some people write [tex]o(g)[/tex] for the order of an element [tex]g[/tex], which as you know equals the order [tex]|\langle g\rangle|[/tex] of the subgroup it generates. I think this notational confusion caused your mistakes below.

Now, supposing I've guessed correctly about your notational issues, you have made two mistakes: the order of [tex]4[/tex] in [tex]U(5) = (\mathbb{Z}/(5))^\times[/tex] is not [tex]4[/tex], and the order of [tex]3[/tex] in [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4[/tex] is not [tex]3[/tex]. Figure out what the correct orders are, and that should solve your problem.

You also haven't listed the elements of [tex]H = \langle (4, 3) \rangle[/tex], which the question asked for.
 

1. What is a coset in a group?

A coset in a group is a subset of the group that is formed by multiplying each element of a subgroup by a fixed element in the group. It is a way to partition a group into smaller, equal-sized subsets.

2. How do you find cosets of a subgroup in a group?

To find cosets of a subgroup in a group, you can use the left coset formula. This formula states that for a group G and a subgroup H, the left coset of H in G is given by gH = {gh : h ∈ H}, where g is an element of G. Essentially, you multiply each element of the subgroup by a fixed element of the group to form the coset.

3. What is the order of a coset in a group?

The order of a coset in a group is equal to the order of the subgroup. This means that the number of elements in a coset is the same as the number of elements in the subgroup that it is formed from.

4. How do cosets help in understanding the structure of a group?

Cosets are useful in understanding the structure of a group because they allow us to break down a group into smaller, more manageable subsets. This can help us to analyze the properties and relationships between different elements in a group. Cosets also help to identify normal subgroups, which are important in group theory.

5. Can a coset be a subgroup?

No, a coset cannot be a subgroup. While a coset may have the same number of elements as a subgroup, it does not necessarily contain the identity element or have closure under the group operation. Therefore, it does not meet the requirements to be considered a subgroup.

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