Finding emf1, R1 & R2 from a graph

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The problem involves analyzing the behavior of two ideal batteries in a circuit, where one battery's emf is fixed and the other's can vary. Participants are tasked with determining the values of emf1, resistance R1, and resistance R2 based on current plots corresponding to each battery.

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  • Participants discuss the identification of current plots for each battery and the implications of slopes on resistance values. There are attempts to relate the currents and voltages at specific points, along with questions about the correctness of the calculations and interpretations of the slopes.

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Some participants express agreement on the identification of the plots for the batteries, while others challenge the numerical values and interpretations of resistance. There is a focus on determining the voltages at which currents are zero, and participants are exploring the relationships between the variables involved.

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Participants are working with specific constraints regarding the values of the emfs and resistances, as well as the behavior of the currents in relation to the direction of the emfs. There is an ongoing discussion about the equations needed to relate the different variables.

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Homework Statement


Both batteries in Figure (a) are ideal. Emf 1 of battery 1 has a fixed value, but emf 2 of battery 2 can be varied between 10.0 V and 100.0 V. The plots in Figure (b) give the currents through the two batteries as a function of 2. The vertical scale is set by is = 0.48 A. You must decide which plot corresponds to which battery, but for both plots, a negative current occurs when the direction of the current through the battery is opposite the direction of that battery's emf. What are (a) emf 1, (b) resistance R1, and (c) resistance R2?

Homework Equations


1/R = I/V = slope

The Attempt at a Solution


The / plot seems the 2nd battery while the \ seems the 1st as when the 2nd battery provide more current , the 1st one will provide less current.
The slope (1/R) of the / = 1 >>> R2( of battery ) =1 , the slope of \ = 3/4 >> R1 (of battery) = 4/3.
Using the first point of each plot , At E2 = 10v , the emf1 plot (\) current = 1.2 A & the emf2 plot (/) current = -0.96 A.
Are my steps right so far ? what should I do next ?
 

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Hi Omar,
Omar FTM said:
The / plot seems the 2nd battery while the \ seems the 1st
I agree. What about the voltages where ##i_1 = 0 ##, respectively ##i_2 = 0 ## ?
Omar FTM said:
The slope (1/R) of the / = 1 >>> R2( of battery ) =1
I suppose >>> is ##\Rightarrow## ? Anyway: don't agree. Not about the numbers and not about ##R_2##.
Omar FTM said:
slope of \ = 3/4 >> R1 (of battery) = 4/3
Don't agree. Not about the numbers and not about ##R_1##.

So: first fix the numbers, then the interpretation.
 
Where i=0 , E2(2nd battery) = 40v , E2(1st battery) = 60v. ( what is the equation to turn the E2(1st battery) to E1 of the first battery ) ?
I calculated 1\R using If-Ii\Vf-Vi from the plots , R is V\I ( the inverse ).
 
This ring a bell for ##i_2=0## ?

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Now you re-draw the diagram for ##i_1 = 0## ...

All this gives you a few equations with a few unknowns. From then on it's just math :smile:
 

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