Finding Force and Steep Grade for a Train with Given Acceleration and Drag Force

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The problem involves a locomotive accelerating a 25-car train along a level track, with specific parameters including mass, drag force, and acceleration. Participants are tasked with finding the force exerted by the locomotive and determining the steepest grade the train can ascend at a given speed.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the total force exerted by the locomotive and the drag force acting on the train. There is confusion regarding whether the force on the entire train is equivalent to the force on a single car. Some participants attempt to set up equations based on Newton's second law and the drag force equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have attempted calculations but are unsure of their correctness, as indicated by feedback from an online platform. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take or the correctness of the calculations presented.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of calculating forces for a system of multiple cars and considering the implications of drag force on the overall mass and acceleration of the train. There is mention of homework constraints and the need to adhere to specific problem requirements.

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Homework Statement


A locomotive accelerates a 25-car train along a level track. Each car has a mass of 6.8e104 kg and is suject to a drag force f = 250v, where v is the speed in m/s and the force f is in N. At the instant when the speed of the train is 44 km/h, the acceleration is 0.20 m/s2.

(a) What is the force exerted by the locomotive on the first car?

(b) Suppose that the force found in part (a) is the greatest force the locomotive can exert of the train. What, then, is the steepest grade up which the locomotive can pull the train at 44 km/h?


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f=ma

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no attempt; no idea how to approach problem.
 
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chenying said:

Homework Statement


A locomotive accelerates a 25-car train along a level track. Each car has a mass of 6.8e104 kg and is suject to a drag force f = 250v, where v is the speed in m/s and the force f is in N. At the instant when the speed of the train is 44 km/h, the acceleration is 0.20 m/s2.

(a) What is the force exerted by the locomotive on the first car?


Okay. So ma is the resultant force on the train.

Force exerted by train (F) - friction (250v) = Resultant force


Now read the part in bold and see if you can't find F


EDIT: for the second part, they are asking for an angle θ for which the train can produce a constant velocity of 44km/h. Draw the train on an inclined plane at an angle θ. Don't forget to take the weight of train into account.
 
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ok, but I am confused with whether the force of the train is equal to the force of the train on one car?
 
chenying said:
ok, but I am confused with whether the force of the train is equal to the force of the train on one car?

You don't need to bother about the force on one car. The train is made up of 25 cars, the mass of the train is 25 * mass of one car.
 
So then its basically this:

25 trains * 6.8e4 kg/train * .20 m/s^2 - 250 * 12.22222222m/s = ma

336944.444 = ma

is this the answer? I've entered this into webassign and it says its wrong.
 
25 cars means 25 times the drag force too, right?
 

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