Finding Lagrangian for Overhanging String on Frictionless Table

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The discussion revolves around finding the Lagrangian for a system involving a 10kg and a 20kg mass on a frictionless table, specifically in the context of an overhanging string. It is established that both kinetic and potential energy are zero in this static scenario, leading to a Lagrangian of zero. The user expresses a desire to apply concepts from calculus and physics to this statics problem, questioning the relevance of Lagrangians in static situations. Participants clarify that Lagrangians are typically used for dynamic systems, emphasizing that they are not applicable when there is no motion. The conversation concludes by suggesting a related problem involving a uniform string to explore Lagrangian mechanics further.
Boltzman Oscillation
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Homework Statement


B is 10kg
C is 20kg
can I find a lagrangian for this system? If so how?

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Homework Equations


L=T-V
Kinetic = .5mv^2
Potential = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the kinetic energy must be 0 right? How could I find the potential?
 
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Hi Boltzmann Oscillation and welcome to PF.

Yes, the kinetic energy is zero. If you take the zero of potential energy to be at the same height as the lights, the potential energy will also be zero, so the Lagrangaian is zero. May I ask why you are looking for the Lagrangian in relation to a statics problem?
 
kuruman said:
Hi Boltzmann Oscillation and welcome to PF.

Yes, the kinetic energy is zero. If you take the zero of potential energy to be at the same height as the lights, the potential energy will also be zero, so the Lagrangaian is zero. May I ask why you are looking for the Lagrangian in relation to a statics problem?
I have statics class and this was assigned but I am quite bored with statics. I want to apply what I've learned in calculus and physics courses. Lagrangian are only used for moving objects? Thank you so much for the help.
 
Boltzman Oscillation said:
Lagrangian are only used for moving objects? Thank you so much for the help.
Lagrangians are used to find equations of motion and if something is not moving, well ...

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