Finding Maximum Spring Compression in Projectile Collision with Target

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The problem involves a projectile colliding with a target that contains a spring, aiming to determine the maximum compression of the spring during the collision. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically conservation of energy and momentum.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy to relate the kinetic energy of the projectile and the potential energy of the spring. They express uncertainty about their two attempts and seek clarification on their reasoning.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the final velocities of the projectile and target, particularly whether the projectile's speed becomes zero at maximum compression.
  • Others suggest considering both conservation of momentum and conservation of energy to analyze the situation more comprehensively.
  • One participant hints at using a frame of reference attached to the spring for further analysis.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings about the relationships between the velocities of the projectile and the target, as well as the implications of energy conservation in this context.

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Homework Statement


A projectile of mass m is shot (with velocity v) at target of mass M which has a hole containing a spring inside (with constant spring constant K), and the projectile hits the spring. The target is initially at rest, and can slide without friction on a horizontal surface (see the figure). Find the distance Δx that the spring compress at maximum.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BySX8CbZB9eXR0RCLXRLcDl1eHM/view?usp=sharing Please find the figure attached.

Homework Equations


Potential elastic energy
U=1/2kx2
Kinetic energy
K=1/2mv2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve this question in two ways. The first, I know it is wrong. But apparently there is something wrong with the second one. It would be nice if you could help me find out what is my mistake here.
1st attempt:
k = U
1/2mv2=1/2kx2

xf=sqrt(mv2/k)

Δx=xf-xi

Δx=sqrt(mv2/k)-xi
2nd attempt:

From conservation of energy, one can assume that the total energy of the system before the collision is equal to the total energy of the system after the collision.
Ebefore=Eafter
Before the collision, the mechanical energy of the target is zero. Meaning that, initially, the total energy of the system is given by the kinetic energy of the projectile, Kprojectile.​
Considering that all projectile's energy was transferred to the target one may write the following equation:
Kprojectile=Ktarget - U

1/2mv2=1/2Mv2-1/2kx2

1/2kx2 =1/2Mv2-1/2mv2

x=sqrt[(Mv2-mv2)/k]

Thank you for your help
 

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Fernando PJ said:
Considering that all projectile's energy was transferred to the target one may write the following equation:
Kprojectile=Ktarget - U​
This equation implies that final kinetic energy projectile is zero, right? Your goal is to find when the compression is maximum. Is there any reason you think this would be when the projectile has no speed?

Fernando PJ said:
1/2mv2=1/2Mv2-1/2kx2
You have to be careful with your equations: You used the same "v" to represent the projectile's initial velocity and the target's final velocity... But they are not the same...
 
Hint: invoke conservation of momentum AND conservation of energy.
 
If you're still in doubt,consider a frame of reference attached to the spring,and solve it..
 

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