Finding stationary points. no x in second derivative

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The discussion revolves around finding stationary points in calculus, specifically focusing on the second derivative test to determine the nature of these points. The original poster has identified a stationary point and is questioning how to interpret the second derivative when it is a constant value without any variable.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of a constant second derivative value and how it affects the classification of the stationary point. Some participants suggest using graphical methods to visualize the function's behavior.

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Participants are exploring the implications of the second derivative being a constant. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of concavity and the use of graphical representations to aid understanding. Multiple interpretations of the second derivative's role are being discussed.

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The original poster is new to calculus and is working within the constraints of their current understanding of stationary points and the second derivative test. There is an emphasis on visual methods as a supplementary approach to analytical reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Just started getting introduced to calculus and a couple applications. After I've found the stationary point i understand that i can put the x value into the second derivative to find if its a maximum or minimum point. i.e

12x-2x2
ƒ'(x)= 12-4x
12-4x=0
x=3
so 12(3)-2(3)2 = 18
So if I've worked it out correct then the stationary point is 3,18


The Attempt at a Solution


So if i take the second derivative i have

ƒ''(x)= -4

if there's no x in the second derivative then how do I find out whether it's a maximum or minimum value?

Thanks
 
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You can always plot the original function.
 
navm1 said:

Homework Statement


Just started getting introduced to calculus and a couple applications. After I've found the stationary point i understand that i can put the x value into the second derivative to find if its a maximum or minimum point. i.e

12x-2x2
ƒ'(x)= 12-4x
12-4x=0
x=3
so 12(3)-2(3)2 = 18
So if I've worked it out correct then the stationary point is 3,18


The Attempt at a Solution


So if i take the second derivative i have

ƒ''(x)= -4

if there's no x in the second derivative then how do I find out whether it's a maximum or minimum value?

Thanks
You can use the 2nd derivative to determine if a critical point is a local maximum or minimum. Your textbook should have this test and some examples. Also, y = 12x - 2x2 is a very simple function. A quick sketch of its graph, as SteamKing suggests, will show immediately what's going on.
 
navm1 said:

So if i take the second derivative i have

ƒ''(x)= -4

if there's no x in the second derivative then how do I find out whether it's a maximum or minimum value?

Thanks


You ask yourself whether ##-4## is positive or negative for concavity.
 

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