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The discussion revolves around determining the current in a circuit where Kirchhoff's laws lead to more unknowns than equations. Participants clarify that the current through the right-most resistor cannot flow if there is no closed loop for the circuit. It's established that the current source must reclaim the same amount of current it produces, implying that if all current flows back to the source, the current is effectively zero. The conversation emphasizes that for current to flow, there must be a potential difference and a complete path for the current. Ultimately, without a closed circuit, no current can flow through the components.
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I'm trying to find the current through this circuit.
I tried doing Kirchhoff's current law, but that would lead me to more unknown currents than equations.
Kirchhoff's voltage law also gives me more unknowns than equations.
Simplifying the circuit also doesn't seem to work. There are no parallel or series resistances.
How can I determine the current?
 
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eurekameh said:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/94290584.png/

I'm trying to find the current through this circuit.
I tried doing Kirchhoff's current law, but that would lead me to more unknown currents than equations.
Kirchhoff's voltage law also gives me more unknowns than equations.
Simplifying the circuit also doesn't seem to work. There are no parallel or series resistances.
How can I determine the current?

Here's your circuit drawn large enough for the human eye to perceive :wink:

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Is it the current designated by the red arrow that you're trying to find?
 

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Thanks. :D
Yes, it is.
 
Okay, the first thing you should ask yourself about that current is, "Where is the current going?", and second, "Is there a circuit (closed loop)?"
 
The current is going through the right-most resistor.
And yes, this is a circuit, if that's what you're asking?
 
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The current is going through the right-most resistor.
But to WHERE? Where can that current go?
And yes, this is a circuit, if that's what you're asking?
Not quite. Is the rightmost resistor part of a circuit (a closed loop wherein current can flow from some source, through the circuit, and back again to the source)?
 
The current can flow to other resistors that may not be shown.
Ah.
I'm guessing the current must be 9 A, since the right-most resistor is not part of the circuit and hence, all of the 9 A through the circuit (closed loop) must be leaving the circuit.
 
eurekameh said:
The current can flow to other resistors that may not be shown.

Resistors that are not shown don't exist unless the problem states explicitly that there is something beyond the end terminal, in which case they would also have to give you the numerical value of the current I.

Ah.
I'm guessing the current must be 9 A, since the right-most resistor is not part of the circuit and hence, all of the 9 A through the circuit (closed loop) must be leaving the circuit.

No, all the current from the current source can ONLY flow back to the current source... There is no other closed path available. Current sources must reclaim exactly the same amount of current that they produce -- what flows out of the top of the current source must be exactly and identically balanced by what flows back into its bottom.
 
If all the current flows back into its current source, doesn't that mean that I = 0 A?
 
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If all the current flows back into its current source, doesn't that mean that I = 0 A?

Yes, yes it does :smile:

Open connections never carry current (at least, not any steady-state current).
 
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Does that mean that no current ever touches that wire? - Because my intuitive understanding of it is that it does.
 
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eurekameh said:
Does that mean that no current ever touches that wire? - Because my intuitive understanding of it is that it does.

For current to flow through a component there must be a potential difference across that component to drive the current, and there must be a path for the current to follow to return to the source of the potential/current. A "hanging branch" with no exit path has no exit for the current, and no source to provide a potential across it. So no current can flow.

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