Finding the current through a circuit

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The discussion revolves around finding the current in a circuit using Kirchhoff's laws. The original poster expresses difficulty in applying these laws due to an excess of unknowns compared to equations. The circuit's configuration does not allow for simplification through series or parallel resistances.

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  • Participants explore the application of Kirchhoff's current and voltage laws, questioning the existence of a closed loop in the circuit. There are discussions about the implications of current flow and the role of unshown resistors.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions about the circuit's configuration and the nature of current flow. Some guidance is offered regarding the necessity of a closed loop for current to flow, and the implications of open connections are being examined.

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There is a mention of potential missing information regarding the circuit's complete configuration, particularly concerning unshown resistors and the implications of current sources.

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I'm trying to find the current through this circuit.
I tried doing Kirchhoff's current law, but that would lead me to more unknown currents than equations.
Kirchhoff's voltage law also gives me more unknowns than equations.
Simplifying the circuit also doesn't seem to work. There are no parallel or series resistances.
How can I determine the current?
 
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eurekameh said:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/94290584.png/

I'm trying to find the current through this circuit.
I tried doing Kirchhoff's current law, but that would lead me to more unknown currents than equations.
Kirchhoff's voltage law also gives me more unknowns than equations.
Simplifying the circuit also doesn't seem to work. There are no parallel or series resistances.
How can I determine the current?

Here's your circuit drawn large enough for the human eye to perceive :wink:

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Is it the current designated by the red arrow that you're trying to find?
 

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Thanks. :D
Yes, it is.
 
Okay, the first thing you should ask yourself about that current is, "Where is the current going?", and second, "Is there a circuit (closed loop)?"
 
The current is going through the right-most resistor.
And yes, this is a circuit, if that's what you're asking?
 
eurekameh said:
The current is going through the right-most resistor.
But to WHERE? Where can that current go?
And yes, this is a circuit, if that's what you're asking?
Not quite. Is the rightmost resistor part of a circuit (a closed loop wherein current can flow from some source, through the circuit, and back again to the source)?
 
The current can flow to other resistors that may not be shown.
Ah.
I'm guessing the current must be 9 A, since the right-most resistor is not part of the circuit and hence, all of the 9 A through the circuit (closed loop) must be leaving the circuit.
 
eurekameh said:
The current can flow to other resistors that may not be shown.

Resistors that are not shown don't exist unless the problem states explicitly that there is something beyond the end terminal, in which case they would also have to give you the numerical value of the current I.

Ah.
I'm guessing the current must be 9 A, since the right-most resistor is not part of the circuit and hence, all of the 9 A through the circuit (closed loop) must be leaving the circuit.

No, all the current from the current source can ONLY flow back to the current source... There is no other closed path available. Current sources must reclaim exactly the same amount of current that they produce -- what flows out of the top of the current source must be exactly and identically balanced by what flows back into its bottom.
 
If all the current flows back into its current source, doesn't that mean that I = 0 A?
 
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eurekameh said:
If all the current flows back into its current source, doesn't that mean that I = 0 A?

Yes, yes it does :smile:

Open connections never carry current (at least, not any steady-state current).
 
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Does that mean that no current ever touches that wire? - Because my intuitive understanding of it is that it does.
 
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eurekameh said:
Does that mean that no current ever touches that wire? - Because my intuitive understanding of it is that it does.

For current to flow through a component there must be a potential difference across that component to drive the current, and there must be a path for the current to follow to return to the source of the potential/current. A "hanging branch" with no exit path has no exit for the current, and no source to provide a potential across it. So no current can flow.

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