Finding the EMF Generated by a Solenoid

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electromotive force (EMF) generated by a solenoid. The participant has derived the magnetic field and magnetic flux but is unsure how to relate angular frequency to the problem. They explore the relationship between the magnetic field, flux, and induced EMF using the equation E = -dΦ/dt. The conversation clarifies that the maximum EMF can be expressed as E = μ₀ I₀ NAω, emphasizing that the amplitude corresponds to the maximum value of the wave function. The final consensus is that the correct formula for maximum EMF includes the magnetic field term, confirming the importance of accurate variable representation in the equations.
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This is not a homework problem due. It's practice. I have the answer of .198mV. I don't know how to get it.

Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



\phi_b = \int \vec B \cdot d\vec A

E = -\frac{d\phi_b}{dt}

The Attempt at a Solution



The magnetic field due to the solenoid is:

\mu_o i N
(1.26x10^{-6})(1.28 A)(85400 turns/m) = 1.37x10^{-1} T

The flux through the circular loop is:

\phi_b = \int \vec B \cdat d\vec A
\phi_b = BAcos 0 = BA

B = 1.37x10^{-1} A=6.8x10{-3}
\phi_b = BAcos 0 = BA = (1.37x10^{1})(6.8x10^{-3})= 9.34x10^{-4} Wb

To find the EMF induced:
E = -\frac{d\phi_b}{dt}

I don't know where to go from here. How do I relate that 212rad/s to the problem?
 
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Try putting I=I0sin(ωt) to get the magnetic field.

Then use Φ=NBA

and then use E=-dΦ/dt
 
So instead of using

B=\mu_o i_o N we use:

B=\mu_o i_osin(\omega t)N which leads to

\phi = BA = \mu_o i_osin(\omega t)NA

E = -\frac{d\phi_b}{dt}

E = -\frac{d}{dt}\mu_o i_osin(\omega t)NA

E = -\mu_o i_oNA\frac{d}{dt}(sin(\omega t))

Is this how you meant? I think I'm lost.
 
exitwound said:
So instead of using

B=\mu_o i_o N we use:

B=\mu_o i_osin(\omega t)N which leads to

\phi = BA = \mu_o i_osin(\omega t)NA

E = -\frac{d\phi_b}{dt}

E = -\frac{d}{dt}\mu_o i_osin(\omega t)NA

E = -\mu_o i_oNA\frac{d}{dt}(sin(\omega t))

Is this how you meant? I think I'm lost.

right yes and what is d/dt(sinωt) ?
 
As far as I can tell, (cos t)(ω)? Maybe??
 
exitwound said:
As far as I can tell, (cos t)(ω)? Maybe??

So then


E=\mu_0 I_0 NBA \omega cos(\omega t)


so what is the amplitude?
 
The amplitude of the wave is 1.28 at maximum. But I don't know what that gets me.
 
exitwound said:
The amplitude of the wave is 1.28 at maximum. But I don't know what that gets me.

no that is for the current



E=\mu_0 I_0 NBA \omega cos(\omega t)

What is the amplitude of E?
 
I don't understand.
 
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The amplitude is equivalent to the maximum point on the wave that a wave equation describes.

Remember that cosine (and indeed sine) functions vary between -1 and 1, so the maximum cos value you can get is 1.

So what is the maximum that E can be in that equation?
 
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(I think we have a typo. There shouldn't be a B in the equation, should there?)

Would it be: <br /> E=\mu_0 I_0 NA \omega<br />
because cos (ωt)=1?
 
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exitwound said:
(I think we have a typo. There shouldn't be a B in the equation, should there?)

Would it be: <br /> E=\mu_0 I_0 NA \omega<br />
because cos (ωt)=1?

Yes the B should be there.

so the amplitude would be

E= \mu_0 I_0 NBA\omegaEDIT: sorry you are right, it is E=\mu_0 I_0 NA \omega
 
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