Finding the Uncertainty in the motion of a pendulum

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The discussion focuses on understanding the uncertainty in the motion of a pendulum, particularly the application of the general formula for infinitesimal variation in functions of two variables. Participants clarify that the correct expression for uncertainty involves partial derivatives with respect to both variables. There is a correction noted regarding an incorrect formulation presented earlier, emphasizing the need to properly express the relationship between variables. The conversation suggests revisiting foundational concepts to derive the correct uncertainty expression. Overall, the thread aims to enhance comprehension of uncertainty calculations in pendulum motion.
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Homework Statement
What is the expression for the uncertainty in finding from the motion of a pendulum
g = 4π^2 L/T^2

Assuming an uncertainty in L of δL, and uncertainty in T of δT.
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g = 4π^2 L/T^2
Hi guys can someone look at my work for uncertainty and let me know if it makes sense.
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I don't even understand the first step. Where did you find that ?
Nor do I understand the last step. What are you doing there ?

What is the general formula for the (infinitesimal) variation in a function of two variables ##f(x,y)## in terms of the (infinitesimal) variation in ##x## and ##y## ?
 
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sorry just seeing your message now. Actually the question asked to show the expression of uncertainty. I asked the TA and this is apparently correct based on the method in the attached image.
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BvU said:
What is the general formula for the (infinitesimal) variation in a function of two variables f(x,y) in terms of the (infinitesimal) variation in ##x## and ##y## ?
My hunch is that this question and your
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refer to one and the same:

For a function of one variable we write (casually) $$ {df\over dx} = f'\ \Rightarrow \ df = f'\, dx $$ or (for small ##\Delta x##) : $$\Delta f \approx f'\,\Delta x$$

In the case of two variables this becomes $$df = {\partial f\over \partial x} dx + {\partial f\over \partial y} dy$$leading to (C.14) in your image for the case ##f = {x\over y}##.

In your post #1, however, you write $$ g = 4\pi^2\, {L\over T^2} $$$$ {dg\over g} = {L\over T^2}$$which is something else and simply wrong (effectively, it says ## g = 4\pi^2## ?:) )

Could it be you meant $$ {dg\over g} = { d\,{L\over T^2} \over {L\over T^2}}\quad ? $$

I suggest you go a step back to the general formula and work out ##\partial g\over \partial L## and ##\partial g\over \partial T## to come to an expression for ##dg##.

Once you fully understand that, we can work out an alternative approach using C.4 (and, as I suppose C.3).
 
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BvU said:
My hunch is that this question and your View attachment 272252 refer to one and the same:

For a function of one variable we write (casually) $$ {df\over dx} = f'\ \Rightarrow \ df = f'\, dx $$ or (for small ##\Delta x##) : $$\Delta f \approx f'\,\Delta x$$

In the case of two variables this becomes $$df = {\partial f\over \partial x} dx + {\partial f\over \partial y} dy$$leading to (C.14) in your image for the case ##f = {x\over y}##.

In your post #1, however, you write $$ g = 4\pi^2\, {L\over T^2} $$$$ {dg\over g} = {L\over T^2}$$which is something else and simply wrong (effectively, it says ## g = 4\pi^2## ?:) )

Could it be you meant $$ {dg\over g} = { d\,{L\over T^2} \over {L\over T^2}}\quad ? $$

I suggest you go a step back to the general formula and work out ##\partial g\over \partial L## and ##\partial g\over \partial T## to come to an expression for ##dg##.

Once you fully understand that, we can work out an alternative approach using C.4 (and, as I suppose C.3).
Thanks for your suggestion!
 
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