Finding the weight of water lost from cloud [Fluid Mechanics]

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The discussion revolves around estimating the total weight of rain that fell from a cloud, given its volume and average height, as well as the amount of water collected in a cylindrical container. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to fluid mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • David presents an initial calculation based on the assumption that the cloud is cylindrical, leading to an estimated weight of rain of 2.85 * 10^10 lb.
  • Some participants agree with David's calculations but suggest there may be an order of magnitude error.
  • Another participant points out that assuming the cloud is a cylinder is not supported by the problem statement and suggests calculating the area of the cloud to find the weight of rain.
  • A different approach is proposed, where the area of the cloud is calculated from its volume and height, and then the volume of rain is derived by multiplying the area by the height of the rain (2 inches).
  • One participant provides detailed calculations for the area of the cloud, the volume of water in a barrel, and the total weight of rain, arriving at a weight of 2.84 * 10^10 lb.
  • There is a suggestion that a simpler method exists, which is acknowledged but not fully elaborated upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions made regarding the shape of the cloud and the methods for calculating the weight of the rain. No consensus is reached on the best approach, and multiple competing methods are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of assumptions regarding the shape of the cloud and the implications for calculations. There are unresolved details regarding the appropriateness of different models for estimating the weight of rain.

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Homework Statement


The rain cloud has an approximate volume of 6.50 mile3and an average height, top to bottom, of 350 ft.1 mile = 5280 ft.
If a cylindrical container 6 ft in diameter collects 2 in. of water after the rain falls out of the cloud, estimate the total weight of rain that fell from the cloud.

Homework Equations


1 mile = 5280 ft
1 cubic foot of water = 62.4 lb
6.5 mile3 = 9.57 * 1011 ft3

The Attempt at a Solution


Vcloud = (pi)(r2)(h)
9.57 * 1011 ft3 = (pi)(r2)(350 ft)
rcloud = 29498.4 ft

2 in rain fell = 1.67 * 10-1 ft

Vrain = (pi)(29498.4 ft)2(1.67 * 10-1 ft)
Vrain = 4.57 * 108 ft3 water

4.57 * 108 ft3 water * 62.4 lb/ ft3 water = 2.85 * 1010 lb of water.

Does this seem correct? I have a habit of missing mundane details or sometimes the whole idea in general. Thanks for your help. -David
 
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Seems correct. Might be an order of magnitude here or there, but operations are all present.
 
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leafjerky said:

Homework Statement


The rain cloud has an approximate volume of 6.50 mile3and an average height, top to bottom, of 350 ft.1 mile = 5280 ft.
If a cylindrical container 6 ft in diameter collects 2 in. of water after the rain falls out of the cloud, estimate the total weight of rain that fell from the cloud.

Homework Equations


1 mile = 5280 ft
1 cubic foot of water = 62.4 lb
6.5 mile3 = 9.57 * 1011 ft3

The Attempt at a Solution


Vcloud = (pi)(r2)(h)
9.57 * 1011 ft3 = (pi)(r2)(350 ft)
rcloud = 29498.4 ft

2 in rain fell = 1.67 * 10-1 ft

Vrain = (pi)(29498.4 ft)2(1.67 * 10-1 ft)
Vrain = 4.57 * 108 ft3 water

4.57 * 108 ft3 water * 62.4 lb/ ft3 water = 2.85 * 1010 lb of water.

Does this seem correct? I have a habit of missing mundane details or sometimes the whole idea in general. Thanks for your help. -David
You've made the assumption that the cloud is a cylinder as well, which is not supported by the problem statement.

Since you know the total volume of the cloud and the average height, you can find the area of the cloud which gives an equivalent volume of 6.5 mi3

Once you do that, you can find out how many barrels would fit within this area, and knowing the amount of rain water collected in each barrel, calculate the weight of the rain from the cloud.
 
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I think it's even easier than that.

Once you have the area of the cloud just multiply by 2 inches to get volume of rain.
(In the right units obviously).
 
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SteamKing said:
You've made the assumption that the cloud is a cylinder as well, which is not supported by the problem statement.

Since you know the total volume of the cloud and the average height, you can find the area of the cloud which gives an equivalent volume of 6.5 mi3

Once you do that, you can find out how many barrels would fit within this area, and knowing the amount of rain water collected in each barrel, calculate the weight of the rain from the cloud.

Okay so this is what I've come up with. The area of the cloud is equal to volume/height = 9.57 * 10^11 ft^3 / 350 ft = 2.73 * 10^9 ft^2

Area of barrel = 28.3 ft^2
Volume water in barrel = 4.72 ft^3
Weight water in barrel = 294 lb
Barrels that fit in area of cloud = 9.65 * 10^7
Total weight = 2.84 * 10^10 lb

Sorry for bad formatting I'm on my phone
 
leafjerky said:
Okay so this is what I've come up with. The area of the cloud is equal to volume/height = 9.57 * 10^11 ft^3 / 350 ft = 2.73 * 10^9 ft^2

Area of barrel = 28.3 ft^2
Volume water in barrel = 4.72 ft^3
Weight water in barrel = 294 lb
Barrels that fit in area of cloud = 9.65 * 10^7
Total weight = 2.84 * 10^10 lb

Sorry for bad formatting I'm on my phone
CWatters idea is even simpler than this. :wink:
 
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SteamKing said:
CWatters idea is even simpler than this. :wink:

So that sounds fine? That was my general idea in my first one I was just assuming the cloud to be a cylinder for some reason. Thanks for the help everyone. I'm still coming up with 2.84 * 10^10 lb so I guess I'll give that a shot.
 

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