Finite Sum Convergence: Solving for n in the Equation n^2 + 3n - 2 = 0

In summary, the conversation is about a math problem involving a summation and finding a closed form for the result. The person asking the question has tried a few methods but is unsure if they are correct. The expert suggests rewriting the equation and using known representations for sums to get a simplified expression.
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1. Homework Statement [/b]

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2. Homework Equations

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3. The Attempt at a Solution

I know the answer is 6 or zero... but I can't figure out how to "show" this. When typing this equation into my calculator, I can clearly see that the number always ends in .0 or .6.

Initially I let k = (n-(n-1))

so the equation turns into

(n-(n-1))*([n-(n-1)] +1) / n = n(n-1)/n (1)

I then solve for n and I get

n^2 + 3n - 2 = 0

My calculator produces results

n^2 + 3n + 2 = 0.

Is equation (1) the correct way to solve this problem? If it is, the I just have a sign error somewhere... but I've triple checked my work and it seems there is none, so I am assuming (1) is not correct. Any suggestions?
 

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Nick Bruno said:
Initially I let k = (n-(n-1))

I've never seen this type of question before, so I wouldn't know how to solve it right away.
But I do want to point out that n-(n-1)) = 1. So you are letting k = 1, is that what you meant to say?

By the looks of it your hunch is right though, the sum is always either an integer, or something of the form (integer) + (2/3). You might want to try finding a closed form of the result (i.e. a general formula for all n) and then consider n modulo 3...
 
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In the sum below, you can move the n in the denominator outside the summation.
[tex]\sum_{k = 1}^n \frac{k(k + 1)}{n}~=~\frac{1}{n}\sum_{k = 1}^n k(k + 1)[/tex]

Now you can rewrite k(k + 1) as k2 + k, and split the single sum into two separate summations, not forgetting the factor of 1/n for each.

Using the well-known representations for [itex]\sum{k^2}[/itex] and [itex]\sum{k}[/itex], you can get a nice, neat expression for your original sum.
 

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