First Law of Thermodynamics (Eint = Q-W) question. I am only stuck on part (d)

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The discussion revolves around the First Law of Thermodynamics, specifically applying the equation Eint = Q - W to a series of thermodynamic processes. The original poster is focused on determining the heat transfer (Q) for a specific path in a multi-step process involving internal energy changes and work done.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the First Law of Thermodynamics to various paths and is specifically questioning the heat transfer for path ib. Some participants inquire about the relationship between work done in different paths and how it affects the calculations.

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Participants are engaging in a productive dialogue, exploring the implications of work done along different paths and how it relates to the heat transfer. There is a focus on clarifying the assumptions regarding work and its impact on the overall energy changes in the system.

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The original poster expresses frustration over being marked wrong on part (d) and is seeking clarification on the calculations involved. There is an indication of multiple interpretations regarding the work done along different paths.

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When a system is taken from state i to state f along path iaf in the figure, Q = 60 cal and W = 10 cal. Along path ibf, Q = 65 cal.
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(a) What is W along path ibf? (b) If W = -19 cal for the return path fi, what is Q for this path? (c) If Eint,i = 11 cal, what is Eint,f?(d) If Eint,b = 27 cal what is Q for path ib?(e) For the same value of Eint,b, what is Q for path bf?

Homework Equations


Eint= internal energy of the system; Q= heat; W= work
I have used Eint= Q - W to solve most of the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution


I only am marked wrong on part d which is very frustrating. So far I have:
(a)Wibf = 15 cal because W= Q-E (b) Qfi= -69 cal because Q= -(E)+W (c) Eint,f= 61 cal because Eint,f= Eint+Ei (d) Qib= ? (e) Qbf= 34 because Eint,f =E-Eint,b
Any thoughts?
 
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Hi, zag4life. Welcome to PF.

How does the work for i \rightarrowb compare to the work for i\rightarrowb\rightarrowf?
 
Well, from b to f, because the volume does not change, work is equal to zero. The work for i,b,f would be the same as the work for i,b I think.
 
Good. So, use that to get Q for ib.
 

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