Fluid pressure on an object in open system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the calculation of fluid pressure exerted on an object in a vessel with flowing fluid and an open outflow. Participants explore concepts related to pressure in fluids, atmospheric pressure, and gauge pressure, as well as the implications of flow dynamics in a tubing system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the total pressure exerted on an object by flowing water in a vessel with an open outflow.
  • Another participant notes that the pressure on the object is likely to be atmospheric pressure due to its proximity to the outlet and low flow rate.
  • A participant questions the relationship between atmospheric pressure and blood pressure, highlighting the difference between absolute and gauge pressure readings.
  • There is a suggestion that the static fluid pressure equation may not be sufficient due to the specifics of the flow situation, prompting a request for a more appropriate formula.
  • One participant describes the balance of pressure forces, gravitational forces, and viscous drag forces in a small diameter tubing system, indicating that pressure varies linearly along the tubing.
  • Reference is made to a specific resource, "Transport Phenomena" by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot, for further exploration of viscous flow problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation of pressure in the described fluid system, with some agreeing that atmospheric pressure is a key factor while others suggest the need for additional considerations regarding flow dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate the pressure in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding flow conditions, pressure readings, and the specific setup of the fluid system, which may affect the calculations and interpretations discussed.

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Hello everyone,

I have a physics question on pressure exerted by a fluid onto an object (see attachment). I would like to know how I can calculate the total pressure exerted on an object in a vessel by flowing fluid (water) with an open outflow. It has been too long since I took college physics, a class that I did not do particularly well in. I would be grateful to anyone who could point me in the right direction.

Tangential question: I'm also a bit confused about atmospheric pressure and the pressure in the human body. If the atmospheric pressure is ~700 mmHg, how can blood vessels (15 mmHg) have a lower pressure? I thought it was the other way around?
 

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Toro said:
Tangential question: I'm also a bit confused about atmospheric pressure and the pressure in the human body. If the atmospheric pressure is ~700 mmHg, how can blood vessels (15 mmHg) have a lower pressure? I thought it was the other way around?

760 mm Hg is an absolute pressure reading for normal atmospheric pressure. The reading of your blood pressure taken by a doctor is a gauge pressure reading, where 0 gauge is the local ambient pressure. After all, if your body operated at a lower pressure internally from ambient conditions, every time you got a cut or scrape, you would blow up like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.

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Toro said:
Hello everyone,

I have a physics question on pressure exerted by a fluid onto an object (see attachment). I would like to know how I can calculate the total pressure exerted on an object in a vessel by flowing fluid (water) with an open outflow. It has been too long since I took college physics, a class that I did not do particularly well in. I would be grateful to anyone who could point me in the right direction.
Since the flow rate is so low, and the object is so close to the outlet, the pressure on the object is basically going to be atmospheric pressure (in this particular example).
Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Since the flow rate is so low, and the object is so close to the outlet, the pressure on the object is basically going to be atmospheric pressure (in this particular example).
Chet
Thanks for the info Chet. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, what formula would you use to calculate pressure in my case? I was thinking of using the static fluid pressure equation, but I have liquid flowing from the top and exiting from the side. Surely there must be a separate equation to account for this.
 
It looks like what you are dealing with here is flow through a tubing of small diameter. In the system you described, there is a balance between pressure forces, gravitational forces, and viscous drag forces. The viscous drag supports the weight of the fluid as well as the pressure difference from beginning to end of the tubing. The pressure will vary linearly with distance along the tubing, from the exit of the reservoir above, to the bottom of tubing (where the pressure will be atmospheric). There is a static pressure variation in the reservoir above, so the pressure at the entrance to the tubing is the static pressure head in the reservoir. You can find the solution to this viscous flow problem in Transport Phenomena by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot.

chet
 

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