Force exerted by a rope wound around a disk

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The discussion centers on the forces acting on a disk supported by a rope wound around it, focusing on the tension in the rope and the reactions at various points of contact. Participants explore the complexities of accounting for these forces, considering both the disk and rope as a system and the implications of friction.

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  • One participant suggests that the tension T acts on the disk due to the assumption of high friction, but questions how to account for the reactions from the rope, particularly noting that the reaction at the bottom may be greater than at the top due to the weight of the disk.
  • Another participant proposes a different approach by considering the rope and disk as part of the same system, which would categorize the forces between them as internal forces, leaving only the external tension force acting along the rope.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous point about treating the rope and disk as a single system, expressing gratitude for the clarification.

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Participants express differing views on how to account for the forces involved, with no consensus reached on the best approach to analyze the situation.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the interactions between the disk and the rope, with assumptions about friction and the nature of internal versus external forces remaining unresolved.

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The above picture shows the forces on a disk supported by a rope which is wound around it. The tension T is shown to be acting at the point where the rope loses contact with the disk. I think the reason for this is that the friction is assumed to be huge so that the tension in the rope also acts on the disk. But there is also the reaction from the rope and since the rope is wound around the entire circumference we may think that it cancels out but I think that the reaction from the rope at the bottom should be greater than at the top due to the weight of the disk. How to account for all these forces? And if it is true that the net force by the rope on the disk is just the tension T as shown then how can I prove it precisely?
 

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Mukhtar Jafri said:
How to account for all these forces?
Accounting for those forces would indeed be very difficult. So I would take a different approach. Instead of considering the rope and the disk to be separate systems, I would consider them to be part of the same system. Then all of those forces between the disk and the rope become internal forces. The remaining external tension force is clearly acting along the line of the rope as shown.
 
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Dale gave a really good answer.
 
Dale said:
Accounting for those forces would indeed be very difficult. So I would take a different approach. Instead of considering the rope and the disk to be separate systems, I would consider them to be part of the same system. Then all of those forces between the disk and the rope become internal forces. The remaining external tension force is clearly acting along the line of the rope as shown.
Thank you very much. I completely missed that.
 

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