Force Needed to Push a Box on an Inclined Plane

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force exerted by a man pushing a box on a 20-degree inclined plane, with a box weight of 20 kg and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.30. The participants clarify the need to include both the x and y components of the weight in the force equations. The correct calculations yield a normal force of approximately 184.18 N, a frictional force of 55.25 N, and a total applied force of about 122.29 N. Work done by the applied force is calculated to be approximately 1149.15 J, and participants discuss the angles involved in calculating work done by gravity. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding vector components in both inclined and horizontal scenarios.
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Homework Statement


A man is pushing a box on top of a plane that is inclined 20 degrees above the horizontal, with a distance of 10 m. The weight of the box is 20 kg and the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.30. The velocity is constant.
How much force is exerted by the man? Find the work done by force and the work done by gravity.


Homework Equations


Summation of forces along x-axis = F - f = 0
Summation of forces along y-axis = n - Wy = 0
f = uk * n
W of Force = Fdcos
W of weight = mgdcos


The Attempt at a Solution


[PLAIN]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4928/17512380.jpg
Is my free body diagram correct?

If someone can give a clue on how to get Wy, I think I can solve this. Thanks!
 
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Your first FBD is correct...then you apparently rotated it in your second FBD, which is OK, as long as it doesn't confuse you. You'll need the x and y components of the weight force, which you can find from basic geometry and trig once you realize what is the interior angle in between the Wy and W forces.
 
Tastosis said:
Summation of forces along x-axis = F - f = 0
You forgot the x-component of the weight.
If someone can give a clue on how to get Wy, I think I can solve this.
See: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/vectors/u3l3e.cfm"
 
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Doc Al said:
You forgot the x-component of the weight.
Wait, what does this mean? What should the summation of forces in the x-axis should be, then?
 
Tastosis said:
Wait, what does this mean? What should the summation of forces in the x-axis should be, then?
Well, when you sum the forces in the x-direction you must include all forces that have an x-component. That includes the weight.
 
So sum of forces in the x-axis is: F - f - Wx?

Now I'm really confused. How do I get Wx and Wy?
 
Tastosis said:
So sum of forces in the x-axis is: F - f - Wx?
Yes.
Now I'm really confused. How do I get Wx and Wy?
Go to the link I gave in post #3.
 
Oh, forgot about the link. Here's what I got...

Wy = mgcos
Wy = 20 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 * cos(20)
Wy = 184.18 N

Wx = mgsin
Wx = 67.04 N

normal force = Wy = 184.18 N

f = uk * n = 0.30 * 184.18 N = 55.25 N

F = f + Wx
F = 55.25 N + 67.04 N
F = 122.29 N

Before I proceed with the work, did I get everything right?
 
Looks good to me.
 
  • #10
Work of force would be = Fdcos
WF = 122.29 N * 10 m * cos 20
WF = 1149.15 J?

Work of weight would be = mgcos? How do I get work of the weight?
 
  • #11
Tastosis said:
Work of force would be = Fdcos
WF = 122.29 N * 10 m * cos 20
WF = 1149.15 J?
No. In the formula W = Fd cosθ, θ is the angle between the force and the displacement. What's that angle?
Work of weight would be = mgcos? How do I get work of the weight?
Use the same method as above. What's the angle between the displacement and the weight?
 
  • #12
For force, is the angle 0?

For weight...250? >.<
 
  • #13
Tastosis said:
For force, is the angle 0?
Right. The applied force is up the incline and so is the displacement.

For weight...250?
OK. 110° also works.
 
  • #14
Doc Al said:
OK. 110° also works.
So it's cos 250 or cos 110?

Also, just a quick question, the method on how I got Wx and Wy (in your link):
[URL]http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/vectors/u3l3e5.gif[/URL]

Does this only apply to inclined planes and never to horizontal planes?

Thanks!
 
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  • #15
Tastosis said:
So it's cos 250 or cos 110?
Those are equivalent.
Also, just a quick question, the method on how I got Wx and Wy (in your link):
[URL]http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/vectors/u3l3e5.gif[/URL]

Does this only apply to inclined planes and never to horizontal planes?
It works fine for horizontal planes. (But you shouldn't need it.) If the plane is horizontal, the angle is 0.
 
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