Force on a Parallel Plates Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to separate parallel plates of a capacitor with charge Q and distance x. The derived formula for force includes a dependency on distance x, which raises questions about its validity. The correct expression for force, derived from potential energy considerations, indicates that the force should not depend on x, leading to the conclusion that x cancels out when substituting the capacitance formula. Participants clarify that while the initial derivation is mathematically sound, it diverges from the standard result due to the placement of constants. Ultimately, the correct force expression is confirmed as F = Q²/(2εA), independent of the plate separation distance.
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Homework Statement


A parallel plates capacitor has charge Q and the plates are at distance x. they are separated incremental distance dx. what is the force F to separate them.

Homework Equations


The capacity: ##C=\varepsilon\frac{A}{x}##
The work done to charge a capacitor: ##W=\frac{1}{2}\frac{Q^2}{C}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The differential of the capacity:
$$dC=-\frac{\varepsilon A}{x^2}dx$$
The differential of the work:
$$dW=-\frac{Q^2}{2C^2}dC=\frac{\varepsilon A Q^2}{2C^2}\frac{1}{x^2}dx$$
$$F\cdot dx=dW=\frac{\varepsilon A Q^2}{2C^2}\frac{1}{x^2}dx$$
$$F=\frac{\varepsilon A Q^2}{2C^2}\frac{1}{x^2}$$
It should be ##F=\frac{Q^2}{2\varepsilon A}##
Is it reasonable that the force depends on the distance x, as in my result?
 
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Karol said:

Homework Statement


A parallel plates capacitor has charge Q and the plates are at distance x. they are separated incremental distance dx. what is the force F to separate them.

Homework Equations


The capacity: ##C=\varepsilon\frac{A}{x}##
The work done to charge a capacitor: ##W=\frac{1}{2}\frac{Q^2}{C}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The differential of the capacity:
$$dC=-\frac{\varepsilon A}{x^2}dx$$
The differential of the work:
$$dW=-\frac{Q^2}{2C^2}dC=\frac{\varepsilon A Q^2}{2C^2}\frac{1}{x^2}dx$$
$$F\cdot dx=dW=\frac{\varepsilon A Q^2}{2C^2}\frac{1}{x^2}dx$$
$$F=\frac{\varepsilon A Q^2}{2C^2}\frac{1}{x^2}$$
It should be ##F=\frac{Q^2}{2\varepsilon A}##
Is it reasonable that the force depends on the distance x, as in my result?
It is correct for an ideal capacitor.
The derivation could have been a simpler by using that the force between the plate is the negative gradient of the potential energy.
potential energy of the capacitor with charge Q: ##U=-\frac{Q^2}{2C}=-\frac{Q^2x}{2 \varepsilon_0 A}##
##F=-\frac{dU}{dx}=\frac{Q^2}{2\varepsilon_0 A}##.
 
Thanks, it's correct, but i was instructed this way by the book and i want to know why my way isn't correct.
Not only x is in my result, it's totally different with the constant's placement
 
Karol said:
Thanks, it's correct, but i was instructed this way by the book and i want to know why my way isn't correct.
Not only x is in my result, it's totally different with the constant's placement
It is correct, but substitute the expression for C. x will cancel.
 
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