What is the necessary force to move a crate on a rough surface?

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The discussion revolves around determining the necessary force to move a crate across a rough surface, specifically focusing on the effects of static friction and the angle of applied force. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, including forces, friction, and vector components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's laws and friction equations to find the force required to initiate movement. They express uncertainty regarding the angle used in their calculations and question whether they have solved for the force correctly.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's calculations, with one confirming the approach seems correct while another highlights a potential issue with the calculator's mode. The discussion indicates that there is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a definitive resolution yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions constraints related to an online homework system that limits the number of attempts for each question. There is also a reference to the angle of force application, which is under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


To move a large crate across a rough floor, you push on it with a force F at an angle of 21° below the horizontal, as shown in the figure. Find the force necessary to start the crate moving, given that the mass of the crate is m = 37 kg and the coefficient of static friction between the crate and the floor is 0.60.

Homework Equations


F_x=F\cos{\theta}
F_y=F\sin{\theta}
F=ma
W=mg
f_s=\mu_sN

The Attempt at a Solution


so i know that \sum{\vec{F_x}}=F\cos{\theta}-\mu_sN=0
and \sum{\vec{F_y}}=N-F\sin{\theta}-mg=0
solving for N i get N=F\sin{\theta}+mg and plugging this in for N in the sum of the forces in the x direction i get F\cos{\theta}-\mu_s(F\sin{\theta}+mg)=0 and finally solving for F i get F=\frac{\mu_smg}{\cos{\theta}-\mu_s\sin{\theta}}
so i plugged in all the values given and yet i still got the wrong answer (my homework is online and i get 5 tries for each question)
my guess is that I am using the wrong angle, should it be 21? or 360-21=339?
or did i not solve for F correctly?
 
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Everything looks fine.

What is your final answer?

No reason to use the other angle as long as you realize the direction the component will be applied in (which you do.)
 
i get 207.47N as my answer, but it says my answer differs from the correct answer by more than 10%
any help?
 
Don't slap yourself, but








Your calculator is in radian mode.
 
hahaha wow i forgot i had it in radians from my calculus 2 class this morning
thanks a lot 1MileCrash
 
You're welcome, it happens to everyone. The important thing is that you do know how to work the problem.
 

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