F’r=50 Nsin 23.53F’r=14.07 NSolving Fr with Law of Sines

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The discussion revolves around solving for the force Fr using the Law of Sines and the provided free body diagrams. The user has calculated F' to be 14.07 N but struggles to find Fr, believing that the Law of Sines is key to the solution. They reference an angle of 13 degrees, which was determined using AutoCAD, and seek a method to compute this angle independently. The calculations involving the cosine law and sine law are discussed, confirming the values for F' and the angles formed in the triangle. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the application of trigonometric laws to resolve the forces in the given problem.
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Please look at this pic for the problem. http://thumb5.webshots.com/t/57/757/4/82/60/2732482600078932085VPLQzD_th.jpg
I have drawn the freebody diagrams correctly.
http://thumb5.webshots.com/t/53/453/3/64/60/2611364600078932085NMvdfG_th.jpg
http://thumb5.webshots.com/t/53/453/3/64/60/2611364600078932085NMvdfG_th.jpg
I solved for F' to be 14.07 N, but I can't solve Fr. I think the key to the problem is the law of sines. According to autocad the angle opposite Fr is 13 degrees, but how do I solve for that myself without autocad?

Here's some work I've done:

90-20=70 degrees

F’2=(50 N)2 + (20 N)2 -2(50 N)(20 N)cos(70)
F’=47.07 N

47.07 N 50 N
----------= -------- Θ=86.46 degrees
Sin 70 sin Θ

90-86.46= 23.53 degrees
 
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Basically, i just need to now how autocad computed one of the angles in the diagram to be 13 degrees.
 
anybody? please!
 
F2 and F3 "added" tail to head, form a triangle having adjacent sides of lengths 20 and 50 and angle 90- 20= 70 degrees between them. By the cosine law, the length of the third side is given by c2= 202+ 502- 2(20)(50)cos(70)= 2216 so c= 47N as you got. Further the angle that vector makes with the positive x-axis is given by the sine law:
\frac{sin \theta}{20}= \frac{sin 70}{47}
so \theta= 24 degrees.
F1 isn't given as an angle but apparently forms a "3-4-5" right triangle. It's not difficult to calculate that the angle F1 makes with the negative x-axis is given by tan(\theta)= \frac{3}{4} so \theta= 37 degrees.
Putting F' and F1 "tail to head" gives us a triangle with adjacent sides of lengths 30 and 47 and angle between them 37- 24= 13 degrees. Now use the cosine law again: The opposite side is given by
c^2= 30^2+ 47^2- 2(30)(47)cos(13)
You can use the sine law again to find the direction.
 
I agree with your results for F'.

The diagram with the problem indirectly indicates the angle of F1 with the 3,4,5 triangle. This means that the angle that it makes with the x-axis can be calculated with

arctan(\frac{3}{4})
 
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