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The discussion centers on determining the optimal angle for pulling a crate with a friction rope, emphasizing that the angle must be greater than 0 degrees but less than 90 degrees to minimize the force required to initiate movement. A participant attempts to prove this by analyzing the forces involved, including static friction and the components of the pulling force. There are suggestions to use statics equations and free body diagrams to clarify the problem, with a focus on balancing horizontal and vertical forces. The conversation highlights the importance of checking mathematical expressions and understanding the underlying physics concepts. Ultimately, the participants engage in a collaborative problem-solving process to arrive at the correct angle for pulling the crate.
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A rope is tied to a large crate, which is sitting on a flat surface. The coefficient of static friction between the crate and the ground is 0.9. If a person is to pull on the rope with the minimum force needed such that the crate begins to slide, the angle between the rope and the ground should be
A)

greater than 0 degrees but less than 90 degrees
B)

0 degrees (rope is horizontal)
C)

90 degrees I know the answer is A. I found this question in practice problems for midterms.

Now, I was trying to prove it:
horizontal pulling: F=ukmg.

greater than 0 degrees but less than 90 degrees:
Horizontal component: uk(mg-sinthetaF) (Let F be magnitude of force.)
Vertical component: costhetaF
Total magnitude:
(Pythagoras) and (sin^2theta+cos^2theta=1)
0.81mg-1.8sinthetaF+F^2=Magnitude.

How do I prove 0.81mg-1.8sinthetaF+F^2 > 0.9mg?
 
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yolo123 said:
Horizontal component: uk(mg-sinthetaF) (Let F be magnitude of force.)
Vertical component: costhetaF
Total magnitude:
(Pythagoras) and (sin^2theta+cos^2theta=1)
0.81mg-1.8sinthetaF+F^2=Magnitude.
That last expression is incorrect. You seem to have dropped some squarings.
If you had the right expression you could equate that to F and simplify.
A more direct method is just to write out the statics equations in the vertical and horizontal directions.
 
What is "Magnitude"?

Try summing the forces in each direction.
 
Hi, I don't really understand what you are saying. Could you give more hints?
 
The net normal force is mg-Fsin(theta).

So Horizontal force balance is: F cos(theta)-u(mg - Fsin(theta)) = 0

Collecting terms, F(theta) = umg/(cos(theta)-usin(theta)

dF/d(theta) = (umgsin(theta)+u^2mgcos(theta))/(cos(theta)-usin(theta))^2

Setting the derivative to zero gives me an angle of 42 deg. [arctan (0.9)]

Do check my math!
 
FermiAged said:
The net normal force is mg-Fsin(theta).

So Horizontal force balance is: F cos(theta)-u(mg - Fsin(theta)) = 0

Collecting terms, F(theta) = umg/(cos(theta)-usin(theta)

dF/d(theta) = (umgsin(theta)+u^2mgcos(theta))/(cos(theta)-usin(theta))^2

Setting the derivative to zero gives me an angle of 42 deg. [arctan (0.9)]

Do check my math!

Hi FermiAged,

This is a Homework Forum. The idea is to provide hints and point out errors, not provide solutions. Please see the guidelines.
 
Sorry. Iam new at this and got carried away.
 
yolo123 said:
Hi, I don't really understand what you are saying. Could you give more hints?
Do you understand how to draw a free body diagram? How to find the vertical and horizontal components of forces? How to write out the statics equations ∑F=ma=0?
 
YES! Do not worry. I solved this problem a few hours ago. Sorry I forgot to give you feedback! I'm stuck on another problem for which I posted another thread. That one is much more conceptual than this one :S
 
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