Generalized uncertainty principle

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a spin-half particle in a known eigenstate of Sz. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the product < S^2_y> is consistent with the generalized uncertainty principle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question how to evaluate the product < S^2_y> and its relation to the uncertainties ΔS_x and ΔS_y. There is uncertainty about the definitions and calculations needed to link these quantities to the uncertainty principle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the definitions of uncertainty and how they relate to the quantities involved in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the standard deviation definition for uncertainties.

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There is a lack of clarity on the specific definitions of ΔS_x and ΔS_y in relation to the expectation values and ^2, which is a point of confusion among participants.

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Homework Statement


A spin-half particle is in a known eigenstate of Sz. Show that the product &lt;S^2_x&gt; &lt; S^2_y&gt; is consistent with the Uncertainty principle


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The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the generalized uncertainty principle gives ΔS_x ΔS_y ≥ |&lt;[S_x, S_y]&gt;|<br /> <br /> =&gt; ΔS_x ΔS_y ≥ \frac{h^2}{16π^2}
but I'm stuck as to how to proceed to show the product in question is consistent with this.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Hello, DeltaFunction.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Are you asking how to evaluate the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ##, or are you asking how the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is related to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y##?
 
TSny said:
Hello, DeltaFunction.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Are you asking how to evaluate the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ##, or are you asking how the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is related to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y##?

I'm a bit vague on this too. The problem simply states "Show that the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is consistent with the uncertainty principle"

I assumed I'd need to link that to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y## to demonstrate this, but I'm stumped by this
 
DeltaFunction said:
I'm a bit vague on this too. The problem simply states "Show that the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is consistent with the uncertainty principle"

I assumed I'd need to link that to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y## to demonstrate this, but I'm stumped by this

How is ##ΔS_x## defined in terms of ##<S^2_x>## and ##<S_x>^2##?
 
TSny said:
How is ##ΔS_x## defined in terms of ##<S^2_x>## and ##<S_x>^2##?

I don't know I'm afraid :/
 
You need to know what quantitative definition of "uncertainty" you are using. Generally, the uncertainty of an observable ##A## for a particular state is defined to be the standard deviation $$\Delta A=(\langle A^2\rangle-\langle A\rangle^2)^{1/2}$$
So to determine the uncertainty ##\Delta S_x## for a state of definite z-component of spin, you will need to evaluate ##(\langle S_x^2\rangle-\langle S_x\rangle^2)^{1/2}## for that state.
 
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