Geometry - Arcs created by Secant Lines

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The discussion revolves around a geometry problem involving arcs created by secant lines intersecting at a point outside a circle. The original poster presents a scenario where two secants create an angle of 28 degrees and partition an arc of 120 degrees, seeking to find the measure of another arc labeled x.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply theorems related to angles and arcs but expresses confusion regarding the application of these theorems, particularly in relation to the position of the angle's vertex. Some participants suggest determining additional angles in the figure to aid in finding the unknown arc.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the problem. There is recognition of the need to consider central angles, and some participants are exploring the implications of theorems in the context of the given figure.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of the circle's center in the figure, which raises questions about how to construct central angles based on the given information. The original poster also mentions a struggle with understanding the implications of the theorems presented.

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Homework Statement



This picture:
http://i.imgur.com/n015WjU.png

It's drawn with exactly the amount of information from the worksheet. Specifically, the two secants meet at a point, with an angle of 28 degrees between them. Both secants partition off an arc of 120 degrees. The goal is to find the arc labeled x.

Homework Equations



Theorem (1): If an angle's vertex lies on a circle, then the angle is equal to half of the subtended arc.
Theorem (2): An angle is a central angle IFF the subtended arc is equal to the measure of the angle.

The Attempt at a Solution



Visual aid:
http://i.imgur.com/14Xoqfz.png

I labeled the points where the secants touch the circle A, B, C, D I then drew the purple lines.

By theorem 1, angles ADB, CBD are both 60 degrees.

Thus angle BED is 60 degrees since BED is a triangle, formed out of three straight lines.

Since AD is a straight line, AEB + BED = 180 degrees.

Thus AEB = 120 degrees.

This violates Theorem 2 since E is clearly not the center of the circle. I'm honestly not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've stared at this on and off for a couple hours now. Thanks for any directions.
 
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marenubium said:

Homework Statement



This picture:
n015WjU.png


It's drawn with exactly the amount of information from the worksheet. Specifically, the two secants meet at a point, with an angle of 28 degrees between them. Both secants partition off an arc of 120 degrees. The goal is to find the arc labeled x.

Homework Equations



Theorem (1): If an angle's vertex lies on a circle, then the angle is equal to half of the subtended arc.
Theorem (2): An angle is a central angle IFF the subtended arc is equal to the measure of the angle.

The Attempt at a Solution



Visual aid:
http://i.imgur.com/14Xoqfz.png

I labeled the points where the secants touch the circle A, B, C, D I then drew the purple lines.

By theorem 1, angles ADB, CBD are both 60 degrees.

Thus angle BED is 60 degrees since BED is a triangle, formed out of three straight lines.

Since AD is a straight line, AEB + BED = 180 degrees.

Thus AEB = 120 degrees.

This violates Theorem 2 since E is clearly not the center of the circle. I'm honestly not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've stared at this on and off for a couple hours now. Thanks for any directions.
Use the central angles. Theorem 2 is not true for angle AEB. What is subtended arc?
 
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Some more hints:

upload_2017-4-27_22-12-55.png

Determine the green angles, then the red ones. With the 28° angle and the red ones, you get the blue angle, and then x.
 
Thank you. I guess my problem is I forgot that I could manufacture central angles even though the figure didn't contain the center of the circle.
 

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