Getting Empirical Forumula Using Ideal Gas Laws

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To determine the empirical formula of a hydrocarbon burned in oxygen, the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) is referenced, but the lack of specific volume and temperature data complicates the calculation. The total pressure of the gas mixture is 1.2 atm, with the partial pressure of water at 0.686 atm, allowing for the calculation of the partial pressure of CO2, which aids in finding the molar ratio of products. A related problem involving the decomposition of acetone in a gas mixture also highlights the challenges of insufficient data for pressure calculations. The discussion emphasizes the need for known conditions to solve these gas law problems effectively. Overall, the participants are navigating the complexities of empirical formula determination with limited information.
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CxHy gets burned in oxygen gas and makes CO2 and water. Given the partial pressure of water and the total pressure of the resulting mixture I need to find the empirical formula.


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Well PV=nRT is the obvious choice...but all the information you see there is all that's given. The only other thing I was able to find was the pressure of the CO2 just doing some subtraction. The problem doesn't state a volume, temperature or anything else.

Can I assume that temperature is a constant and eliminate it? How about volume? I'm not sure about that, if I can then it might help.
 
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The problem description is far too general. You must have some known given conditions.
 
Nope that's it. All we know is that a hydrocarbon was burned, and the pressure of the products. We can't assume standard conditions because the pressure is off.

There's another problem I couldn't solve:

A mixture of the gases CO and CH3COCH3 (acetone) is trapped in a 1.0 L flask. The pressure in
the flask registers 100 mmHg initially but the pressure registers 114 mmHg after the acetone in the
flask is caused to decompose according to the following reaction at the same temperature:
CH3COCH3(g) H C2H4(g) + CO(g) + H2(g)
If all the substances present are in the gas phase, and CO is unchanged by any chemical reaction,
what were the inital and final pressures of CO, assuming complete reaction of the acetone?

Again, how can I proceed? I don't think enough is known.
 
Lancelot59 said:
Nope that's it. All we know is that a hydrocarbon was burned, and the pressure of the products.

Well you didn't include the pressure in your posting. :wink:
 
Oops...

The total pressure of the mixture is 1.2 atm and the pressure of the H2O is .686 atm. That still doesn't help much...does it?
 
Yes it does - it gives you partial pressure of CO2, and that means you know exact molar ratio of H2O and CO2.

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Actually it's just carbon monoxide. So that means everything in the decomposition is 1:1. I'll canker around with it and see where I can get. Dalton's pressure law seems a reasonable place to start.
 
Sorry, misread the question - but it doesn't matter much, it is still molar ratio that counts.

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