Given the partial derivatives, find the function or show it does not exist.

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The discussion revolves around finding a function based on given partial derivatives of the form f'_x = kx_k, where k represents a varying constant and k = 1, 2, ..., n. Participants express confusion regarding the meaning of the subscripts and how to interpret the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of the partial derivatives and question the meaning of the subscripts. There are discussions on integrating the partial derivatives to find the original function f and how to handle the resulting expressions. Some participants suggest that the function f should be expressed in terms of multiple variables and consider the implications of mixed partial derivatives.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the structure of the function, but there is no consensus on the final form of the function or its completeness.

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Participants note the challenge of naming variables when n is large and question the assumptions regarding the continuity of the derivatives and the implications for mixed partial derivatives.

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Homework Statement



f'_x = kx_k, k = 1, 2, ..., n

The Attempt at a Solution



The partial should be f(sub)x(sub)k, as in, the partial derivative of f with respect to x_k. I wasn't sure how to represent that using TeX.

I'm honestly at a complete loss here, because I'm not entirely sure what the subscripts refer to. I suppose if k = 1, then the derivative of f with respect to x_k = 1x_1, but that tells me absolutely nothing because I don't even know what that x_1 refers to...

Any help would be much appreciated!
 
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Jormungandr said:

Homework Statement



f'_x = kx_k, k = 1, 2, ..., n

The Attempt at a Solution



The partial should be f(sub)x(sub)k, as in, the partial derivative of f with respect to x_k. I wasn't sure how to represent that using TeX.

I'm honestly at a complete loss here, because I'm not entirely sure what the subscripts refer to. I suppose if k = 1, then the derivative of f with respect to x_k = 1x_1, but that tells me absolutely nothing because I don't even know what that x_1 refers to...

Any help would be much appreciated!
f_{x_k} → \displaystyle f_{x_k}

The subscripts mean that you have n variables.

Rather than using x, y, and z for three variable, you could use x1, x2, and x3 .

What if n = 100 ? How else would you name all the variables ?

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For instance, if we did use x, y, and z for x1, x2, and x3, we would have:

\displaystyle f_{x}=x

\displaystyle f_{y}=2y

\displaystyle f_{z}=3z\ .
 
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So you have some partial of f with respect to some xk where :

fxk = kxk

For a varying constant k.

You want to find your original function f. What happens if you integrate here?

Note that xk refers to an INDEPENDENT variable. We could have chosen y, z, u, etc.
 
I realized that a few minutes after I posted it, my bad!

So we've got f_{x_k}=kx_x.

The function f described by this set of partial derivatives should be in the form f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n), right? So I run into a bit of a snag when we integrate that partial.

If f_{x_1} = x_1, then
f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n) = \frac{1}{2}x_1^2 + g(x_2, ... x_n)

If this is correct, then moving on:

f_{x_2}=g_{x_2}(x_2, x_3, ... , x_n)

Implying:

g_{x_2}(x_2, x_3, ... , x_n) = 2x_2, right? And that:
g(x_2, x_3, ..., x_n) = x_2^2 + h(x_3, x_4, ... , x_n)

Well, I did this process over a few times and I'm reaching a definite pattern here, that shows:

f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n) = \frac{1}{2}x_1^2 + x_2^2 + \frac{3}{2}x_3^2 + 2x_3^2 + j(x_5, x_6, ... , x_n).

Which seems to imply that

f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n) = \frac{k}{2}x_k^2 + some function of g. Of course, I realize I would have arrived at this exact expression if I had integrated the beginning expression, I just wanted to see where this process would lead me.

Now, an issue arises with the function of g afterwards. Should it be:

f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n) = \frac{k}{2}x_k^2 + g(x_{k+1}, x_{k+2}, ... , x_n)?

Have we arrived at the solution or is there some compact way to write the function of g? Or have I done it all wrong completely? :P Thanks!
 
Jormungandr said:
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Well, I did this process over a few times and I'm reaching a definite pattern here, that shows:

f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n) = \frac{1}{2}x_1^2 + x_2^2 + \frac{3}{2}x_3^2 + 2x_4^2 + j(x_5, x_6, ... , x_n).
...

Have we arrived at the solution or is there some compact way to write the function of g? Or have I done it all wrong completely? :P Thanks!

It looks like you have:

\displaystyle f(x_1, x_2, ... , x_n) = \frac{1}{2}\left((x_1)^2 + 2(x_2)^2 + 3(x_3)^2 + 4(x_4)^2 + \dots\right)

Where does it end?
 
Look at the mixed partial derivatives. As long as the derivatives are continuous, mixed partial derivatives, with the same derivatives in different order, must be equal.

For example, if f(x,y)= x^2+ 3xy+ y, f_x= 2x+ 3y and f_y= 3x+ 1 so that, differentiating f_x with respect to y, f_{xy}= 3 and, differentiating f_y with respect to x, f_{yx}= 3.

If we are told that f_x= 3x+ 2y and f_y= x- 2y, we know that is impossible because that gives f_{xy}= 2 and f_{yx}= 1 which are not equal.
 

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