Graphical Derivation of x = Asin(ωt)

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The discussion revolves around the graphical derivation of the equation for simple harmonic motion, specifically x = Asin(ωt). Participants are exploring the relationship between the sine function and the parameters involved in the motion, particularly focusing on the role of angular frequency (ω) and its connection to the time period of the motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the sine curve to represent simple harmonic motion and question how the angular frequency ω relates to the graph and the equation. There are attempts to connect the concept of angular frequency to the geometry of circular motion and its implications for the sine function.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and attempting to clarify their understanding of how angular frequency fits into the graphical representation of simple harmonic motion. Some guidance is offered regarding the transformation of the sine function and its implications for the equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to integrate ω into their understanding.

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Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between angular frequency and the graphical representation, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to reconcile different aspects of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


Deriving the equation for simple harmonic motion, x = Asinωt, graphically.

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ω = 2πf, where f = 1/T

2. The attempt at a solution
Take a sine curve as the simple harmonic motion (displacement, x, on y-axis; time, t, on x-axis), then transform it.

The min/max is the amplitude, so we can stretch the graph to say that x = Asin(t).

However, I can't quite get my head around where the ω comes from - I realize that there is a horizontal stretch which must be somehow related to the time period, but I can't quite see why it is 2πf.
 
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Izero said:
However, I can't quite get my head around where the ω comes from - I realize that there is a horizontal stretch which must be somehow related to the time period, but I can't quite see why it is 2πf.
Imagine a circle with radius 1 (m, km, take whatever dimension you want). Walk around that circle f times. How far have you walked?
 
Svein said:
Imagine a circle with radius 1 (m, km, take whatever dimension you want). Walk around that circle f times. How far have you walked?
2πf units (and therefore 2πf radians covered). I think I understand what angular frequency is; I just don't seem to be able to relate it to the graph/equation.
 
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Izero said:
I think I understand what angular frequency is; I just don't seem to be able to relate it to the graph/equation.
Perhaps this would help.
Animation1.gif

SHM as projection of uniform circular motion...
 
Okay, so y = sin(kx) stretches the graph by a factor of (1/k), right? (compresses it by a factor of k).

So stretching it by T would actually be a transformation of x = sin(t/T), which is x = sin(ft).

Then you want to 'undo' the pi-ness of the x-axis to make the units seconds (and not have the pi scale hanging around), so you want to stretch by 1/(2π)? That means the whole transformation would be x = sin(2πft). And then you add on the amplitude: x= Asin(2πft).

Does that make sense at all?
 
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Izero said:
Okay, so y = sin(kx) stretches the graph by a factor of (1/k), right? (compresses it by a factor of k).

Why not just introduce ##\omega## at this point and not be bothered with ##\pi##?
 
Mister T said:
Why not just introduce ##\omega## at this point and not be bothered with ##\pi##?
Because I still can't fit ω into it in my head! I was trying to reason it through so that it made intuitive sense to me, and the use of ω straight off just doesn't click!
 
The sine function requires an angle, eg Sin(Θ), ω is not an angle, it is an angular velocity. The angle is (ωt)
 

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