Group theory paper suggestions for my classes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around suggestions for papers to use in teaching group theory, particularly in the context of condensed matter physics. Participants are seeking resources that provide applied discussions on Lie algebras and continuous groups, ideally in a format that encourages students to engage with traditional texts for deeper understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions using two specific papers to teach group theory, emphasizing their relevance to physical problems.
  • Another participant suggests a lecture note that, while lengthy, may still be useful for the discussion of Lie algebras.
  • A participant expresses a preference for shorter texts that are not self-contained, which would prompt students to refer to traditional books for additional context.
  • One participant proposes original papers by E. Noether as potential resources, noting their historical significance in the field.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of teaching symmetry operations as sub-groups of nuclear permutations, recommending a classic paper that is accessible for students.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific third paper to use, and multiple competing views on suitable resources remain. The discussion reflects a variety of preferences regarding the format and content of suggested materials.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express concerns about the length and self-containment of suggested resources, indicating a need for balance between depth and accessibility. There are also references to historical papers, which may not be readily available in modern translations.

Who May Find This Useful

Educators and students interested in group theory applications in condensed matter physics, particularly those looking for supplementary materials that encourage deeper engagement with traditional texts.

Gerson J Ferreira
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I teach group theory for physicists, and I like to teach it following some papers. In general my students work with condensed matter, so I discuss group theory following these papers:


These are great papers to follow, since both discuss group theory superficially as they apply it to interesting physical problems. So, in the class we read these papers and fill the gaps following traditional books (e.g. Tinkham).

Now I'm looking for a 3rd paper to follow in the same manner as above, and introduce an applied discussion over Lie algebras and continuous groups in general. Any suggestions?
 
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thanks! It is a bit long, but seems useful for my purposes.

Ideally, I would like something more like a paper, rather than a book. I mean... a short text that has some interesting developments regarding Lie groups or Lie algebras, but it is not self-contained, thus requiring the students to go for the books to fill the gaps. There are other books with applications and so on, but I find that the students dive deeper in the books when they have to read it to understand another shorter text.
 
Gerson J Ferreira said:
thanks! It is a bit long, but seems useful for my purposes.
You could cut it by chapters.
Ideally, I would like something more like a paper, rather than a book. I mean... a short text that has some interesting developments regarding Lie groups or Lie algebras, but it is not self-contained, thus requiring the students to go for the books to fill the gaps. There are other books with applications and so on, but I find that the students dive deeper in the books when they have to read it to understand another shorter text.
You could give them the original papers of E. Noether. I don't know any translations, but I'm sure there are some on the internet. Hopefully they will have translated the historical language as well for otherwise, this will be an additional difficulty. However, these two papers are the reason Lie groups become famous in physics at all.

Maybe the short essay about SU(2) I wrote as an insight would do:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/representations-precision-important/ (about the abuse of language by physicists here)
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2mathbbc-part/ (about SU(2), 2 parts)
It's not very complicated, but of course doesn't contain the calculations or proofs, which must be done personally, resp. searched in the literature. The second part is a bit more about the Lie algebra, so I'm not sure whether this fits your goal.

I would go with Noether.
 
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What I think is extremely important in a class on group theory in condensed matter is to teach the insight that (almost) all relevant symmetry operations are sub-groups of the symmetry of nuclear permutations. A classic paper which is not too difficult is:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00268976300100501
 

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