Harmonic oscillator expectation values

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The discussion revolves around calculating expectation values for position, momentum, and total energy in a harmonic oscillator described by a superposition of the ground and first excited states. The original poster presents their approach and expresses uncertainty regarding the calculations and the implications of orthogonality in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate expectation values using the position operator and expresses confusion about the application of the annihilation and creation operators. They question the validity of their calculations and seek clarification on the orthogonality of the states involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, offering suggestions for correcting notation and emphasizing the importance of details in quantum mechanics. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the mathematical expressions and the implications of orthogonality, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the significance of proper notation and the distinction between energy eigenstates, as well as the importance of including all numerical factors in calculations. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the problem without a definitive resolution.

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I'm given that there is a harmonic oscillator in a state that is a superposition of the ground and first excited stationary states given by [tex]\psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\abs{\psi_0(x,t) + \psi_1(x,t)}[/tex], where [tex]\psi_0 = \psi_0(x)e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{\hbar}}[/tex] and [tex]\psi_1 = \psi_1(x)e^{\frac{-iE_1t}{\hbar}}[/tex]. I need to calculate expectation values for position, momentum, and total energy.

Here's what I've done: I'm assuming this is a simple harmonic oscillator, and for the x operator I have [tex]\frac{i}{\sqrt{2m\omega}}(a_- - a_+)[/tex]. I think that a- operating on Psi0 would be zero, and on Psi1 would be Psi0, and a+ operating on Psi0 would be Psi1, and on Psi1 would be Psi2. So... I have for <x>:

[tex]<x> = \frac{i}{2\sqrt{2m\omega}}<\psi_0 + \psi_1 | \psi_0 - \psi_1 - \psi_2>[/tex].. but.. uh.. how do you do this? I feel like I must have done something wrong. A push in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thanks so much!
 
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There's no way that expectation value could be zero, right? because [tex]<\psi_n | \psi_{n+1}> = 0[/tex], I think.. so all that stuff inside the <> would be zero. No?
 
land said:
I'm given that there is a harmonic oscillator in a state that is a superposition of the ground and first excited stationary states given by [tex]\psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\abs{\psi_0(x,t) + \psi_1(x,t)}[/tex]

Is that supposed to be

[tex]\Psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( \abs{\Psi_0(x,t) + \Psi_1(x,t)} \right)?[/tex]

Brackets are important, as are distinctions between upper case and lower case. For example,

[tex]\psi_0 = \psi_0(x)e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{\hbar}}[/tex]

doesn't make sense without such a distinction. If fact, in this case, it doesn't make sense to write

[tex]\psi = \psi_{0} + \psi_{1},[/tex]

since the sum of two energy eigenstates is not an energy eigenstate.

and on Psi1 would be Psi2.

No - don't forget the numerical factor.

Now calculate

[tex]\left< \Psi \left| x \right | \Psi \right>[/tex]

by, as you did, replacing [itex]x[/itex] with the appropriate, but don't to forget to include all the time dependences and other numerical factors.

Also, use the orthogonality condition that you gave in your last post.

I don't mean to sound so critical, but, in this calculation, it's important to get the details right.
 
I did mean to put brackets around it. I'm not sure why I didn't. I have trouble getting LaTeX to display things correctly sometimes.

Edit: nevermind, I'm an idiot and figured out what you were talking about. See next post for confusion.
 
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OK. I tried to go back through and put in the terms you were talking about, and I've gotten something.. but I'm still confused. I've gotten down to [tex]\frac{i}{2\sqrt{2m\omega}}<\psi_0 + \psi_1 | \sqrt{\hbar\omega}\psi_0 - \sqrt{\hbar\omega}\psi_1 - \sqrt{2\hbar\omega}\psi_2>[/tex]. [tex]<\psi_0 | \psi_0>[/tex] I know how to do, but [tex]<\psi_0 | \psi_1>[/tex] I don't. So you said to use the orthoganility condition I brought up in my last post.. so is this just zero since it's Psi0 and Psi1? If not, here's what I'm getting for that, plugging in the x and t dependences: [tex]-\sqrt{\hbar\omega}<\psi_0(x)e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{\hbar}} | \psi_1(x)e^{\frac{-iE_1t}{\hbar}}>[/tex]. I have no idea how to do that. So I hope it's zero.

So if it is, then the <Psi0 | Psi0> part of that would just be [tex]\sqrt{\hbar\omega}[/tex]. That seems way too easy though.
 
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