Heat of Formation: Solve Ethylene C2H4 Combustion

  • Thread starter Thread starter moxy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Formation Heat
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the heat of formation for the combustion of ethylene (C2H4). Participants are attempting to solve a homework problem related to bond energies and enthalpy changes in a chemical reaction, specifically focusing on the complete combustion of ethylene into water and carbon dioxide.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their approach to the problem, detailing the balanced equation for the combustion of ethylene and expressing uncertainty about their calculations.
  • Another participant provides a corrected calculation for the heat released, emphasizing the need to account for the number of bonds in the products and the reactants accurately.
  • There is a discussion about the enthalpy of formation for elemental oxygen being zero, which some participants agree with, while others clarify the implications of this in their calculations.
  • Participants discuss the importance of accurately counting the bonds formed and broken, particularly in the context of water and carbon dioxide formation.
  • One participant expresses relief at understanding their previous mistakes after receiving clarification from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of calculating the heat of formation using bond energies, but there are discrepancies in their calculations and interpretations of the bond counts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact numerical answer, as different participants arrive at different results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding the counting of bonds in the products and reactants, as well as the application of bond energy values. There is also mention of the need for clarity in the definitions used in the calculations.

moxy
Messages
40
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



This is a question from a sample exam that I can't figure out. The answer is 1297 kJ/mol, but I don't know how to solve it. Any help is appreciated.

-----

The following are average bond energies (kJ/mol):
C−H 413 O−H 463 C=C 614
C−C 348 O−O 146 C=O 799
C−O 358 O2 495

What is the amount of heat released in the complete combustion of ethylene, H2C=CH2?

Homework Equations



H(reaction) = H(products) - H(reactants)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've written the balanced equation...

C2H4 + 3O2 -> 2H2O + 2CO2

Now, I think I need to break down the reaction and add all of the energies from broken bonds (reactants) together, and then subtract that sum from the energy released from bonds made (products).

Hf of reactants :
C2H4 -> one C=C bond, four C-H bonds = (614 + 4*413) = 2266 kJ/mol * 1mol = 2266 kJ
O2 -> this is an element in its normal state, so the enthalpy is zero

Hf of products :
H2O -> two O-H bonds = (2*463) = 926 kJ/mol * 2mol = 1852 kJ
CO2 -> two C=O bonds = (2*799) = 1598 kJ/mol * 2mol = 3196 kJI continued like this, but the answer I got was wrong. Am I completely off base? I have a feeling I'm misunderstanding the question and approaching it in the wrong way.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
This is the raw equation I got [4(413)+614+3(495)]-[4(463)+4(799)]=-1297 kJ/mol

I'm pretty sure its going to be negative because its Change in H formation=D(reactant bonds)-D(product bonds).

"Hf of products :
H2O -> two O-H bonds = (2*463) = 926 kJ/mol * 2mol = 1852 kJ
CO2 -> two C=O bonds = (2*799) = 1598 kJ/mol * 2mol = 3196 kJ"

In your original equation there are two O-H bonds "per H2O molecule." But you have 2 H2O molecules, so you'll have 4 O-H bonds. Also, drawing Lewis diagrams help.

C2H4 + 3O2 -> 2H2O + 2CO2
So [(4(C−H)+C=C+3(O=O))-(4(O−H)+4(C=O))]
 
kuahji said:
This is the raw equation I got [4(413)+614+3(495)]-[4(463)+4(799)]=-1297 kJ/mol

I'm pretty sure its going to be negative because its Change in H formation=D(reactant bonds)-D(product bonds).

"Hf of products :
H2O -> two O-H bonds = (2*463) = 926 kJ/mol * 2mol = 1852 kJ
CO2 -> two C=O bonds = (2*799) = 1598 kJ/mol * 2mol = 3196 kJ"

In your original equation there are two O-H bonds "per H2O molecule." But you have 2 H2O molecules, so you'll have 4 O-H bonds. Also, drawing Lewis diagrams help.

C2H4 + 3O2 -> 2H2O + 2CO2
So [(4(C−H)+C=C+3(O=O))-(4(O−H)+4(C=O))]
I multiplied by 2 mol...so I think all of my numbers are the same as yours, I just never used the value for O2 (a huge duh on my part). I guess I thought that the "zero enthalpy" applied because O2 (g) is oxygen's natural state at room temperature.

This was a HUGE help, this problem has been eating up my time all night, and I'm so glad to finally understand where I was going wrong! Thanks!
 
kuahji said:
This is the raw equation I got [4(413)+614+3(495)]-[4(463)+4(799)]=-1297 kJ/mol

I'm pretty sure its going to be negative because its Change in H formation=D(reactant bonds)-D(product bonds).

"Hf of products :
H2O -> two O-H bonds = (2*463) = 926 kJ/mol * 2mol = 1852 kJ
CO2 -> two C=O bonds = (2*799) = 1598 kJ/mol * 2mol = 3196 kJ"

In your original equation there are two O-H bonds "per H2O molecule." But you have 2 H2O molecules, so you'll have 4 O-H bonds. Also, drawing Lewis diagrams help.

C2H4 + 3O2 -> 2H2O + 2CO2
So [(4(C−H)+C=C+3(O=O))-(4(O−H)+4(C=O))][/QUOTE]

This helped because I didnt get the same answer yours but I figured my mistake though.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
6K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
40K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K