Heat pump electricity production

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Heat pumps can produce significantly more heat energy than the electrical energy consumed, exemplified by a scenario where a heat pump outputs 3 kW of heat from 1 kW of electrical input. This efficiency, however, is contingent on the temperature differential between the heat source and sink. The discussion highlights misconceptions regarding perpetual motion and emphasizes the importance of understanding the Coefficient of Performance (COP) and the Carnot efficiency in thermodynamic systems.

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  • Understanding of heat pump mechanics and thermodynamics
  • Familiarity with Coefficient of Performance (COP) calculations
  • Knowledge of Carnot efficiency principles
  • Basic concepts of thermoelectric generators and their efficiencies
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  • Research the Coefficient of Performance (COP) of heat pumps and its implications
  • Study Carnot efficiency and its application in heat engines
  • Explore the design and functionality of thermoelectric generators
  • Investigate the principles of Stirling engines and their efficiency in energy conversion
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Greetings. I just want to understand heat pumps. As far as I know - they keep a house warmer than it could be using a regular electric radiator, using the same amount of energy.
I am wondering - if a heat pump outputs, say, 3 kW of heat energy from 1 kW of input electric energy from the grid (or somewhere), making the air (or ground) source colder, of course, it would take only ("only" as in - it is doable) ~40% efficient thermo-electric generator to gain 1.2 kW from that heat, from which 1 kW could be run back into the pump and have a surplus of 0.2 kW
Please, don't sink this thread, as I am not talking about perpetual motion here. (although, perpetual motion is a must in a perfectly sealed system, in a not expanding universe, isn't it? Of course, the Earth isn't a perfect system, but it gains energy from the Sun as it looses energy in space ..)
I would like to mess around with some refrigerator parts and Stirling engines, but both my hands are left, so to say, and I just don't have the resources
 
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Edi said:
Greetings. I just want to understand heat pumps. As far as I know - they keep a house warmer than it could be using a regular electric radiator, using the same amount of energy.
I am wondering - if a heat pump outputs, say, 3 kW of heat energy from 1 kW of input electric energy from the grid (or somewhere), making the air (or ground) source colder, of course, it would take only ("only" as in - it is doable) ~40% efficient thermo-electric generator to gain 1.2 kW from that heat, from which 1 kW could be run back into the pump and have a surplus of 0.2 kW
Please, don't sink this thread, as I am not talking about perpetual motion here. (although, perpetual motion is a must in a perfectly sealed system, in a not expanding universe, isn't it? Of course, the Earth isn't a perfect system, but it gains energy from the Sun as it looses energy in space ..)
I would like to mess around with some refrigerator parts and Stirling engines, but both my hands are left, so to say, and I just don't have the resources

What do you mean by saying that a "heat pump outputs 3kW from 1kW input electric energy"? Do you have a reference for that?
 
Edi said:
I am not talking about perpetual motion here
Yes, you are, this is a PMM of the second kind. Discussions of PMM's are against the rules.

What you describe is not "doable". To confirm you should fix the temperature of your cold reservoir and calculate the hot reservoir temperature required to get an ideal heat pump with a COP of 3. Then calculate the efficiency of an ideal heat engine between those same two temperatures.
 
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