# HELP loop the loop

1. Jul 2, 2014

### motti

Hi,

i need to calculate the minimal velocity at point A to reach point B
Not asked to complete full loop, There is no friction.

I guess (mv^2)/2 = mg*2r >>> v = sqrt(4gr), my friend say v = sqrt(5gr)

Thanks.

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2. Jul 2, 2014

### Orodruin

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You have used an energy argument. With this argument, what would be the speed at B? What is the corresponding required centripetal force at B? What is the actual centripetal force at B?

3. Jul 2, 2014

### motti

Probably zero..
i know that its 5gr if i want to "loop the loop" - but i only want to reach the top..

4. Jul 2, 2014

### Orodruin

Staff Emeritus
The point is that you need that speed to reach the top. Otherwise the acceleration due to gravity is too large and the normal force from the track would have to be negative (with positive direction defined as being towards the loop center) in order to keep the car on track. So unless the car is somehow fixed to the track (as in some roller coasters that at points have "negative gs") you will need the extra speed in order to actually reach B.