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The discussion focuses on proving the Lagrange equation for a bead on a rotating hoop using a non-inertial reference frame. The forces involved are gravitational force (Fg) and centrifugal force (Fcf), represented by the equations Fg = -mgsinθ and Fcf = mΩ²Rcosθsinθ. The user attempts to derive the equation mR(d²θ/dt²) = mΩ²Rcosθsinθ - mgsinθ, indicating a clear understanding of the dynamics involved. The discussion highlights the complexities of non-inertial frames in classical mechanics.

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  • Understanding of Lagrangian mechanics
  • Familiarity with non-inertial reference frames
  • Basic knowledge of rotational dynamics
  • Proficiency in calculus, particularly second derivatives
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Homework Statement



Basically i have to prove a lagrange equation using a non-inertial reference frame. A bead on a hoop where the hoop rotates as in the image below.
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F = Fg + Fcf

Homework Equations



mR(d2θ/dt2) = mΩ2Rcosθsinθ -mgsinθ

what I'm supposed to get

The Attempt at a Solution



Fg = -mgsinθ

Fcf = m(ΩxR)xΩ = mΩ2Rcosθsinθ

I know that

Ω = Ω(0 , sinθ, cosθ)

R = R( 0 , k I'm just lost and frustrated :(
 
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