Help with double integral - volume between 2 surfaces

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid bounded by two surfaces: one described by a function resembling a cone and the other by an equation representing an elliptical cylinder. The problem also involves the planes z = 0 and z = 1.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the first surface, with some suggesting it is a cone rather than an ellipsoid. There is discussion about the interpretation of the second surface as an elliptical cylinder and how it relates to the integration limits.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the setup for integration, particularly focusing on the limits for the elliptical cylinder and the transformation to elliptic coordinates. There is recognition of the complexity of the region of integration and the need for clarity on the boundaries.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenge of integrating over a region that is not centered at the origin, raising questions about the appropriateness of transformations and the implications for the limits of integration.

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Homework Statement



find volume of the solid bounded by the surfaces

z = 1- \sqrt{\frac{x}{4}^2 + \frac{y}{2 sqrt{2}}^2}

and x^2/4 -x +(Y^2)/2 = 0

and the planes z = 0 and z = 1

Homework Equations



z = 1- \sqrt{\frac{x}{4}^2 + \frac{y}{2 sqrt{2}}^2}

and x^2/4 -x +(Y^2)/2 = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I think the first surface is an ellipsoid with it's highest point at z =1 and x = 0 and y = 0 and the second "surface" I have interpreted as a cylinder whose base is an ellipse centred at x = 2 and y =0. So it seems like there could be two solids here, the first would have an elliptical base of the z = 0 plane and the top would be the surface of the first equation above and the sides would be the sides of the cylinder. But it seems like I could also have another similar solid where the top is the z =1 plane and the base is the surface of the first equation.

I think I must be a long way off track.
 
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coodgee said:
I think the first surface is an ellipsoid
Not an ellipsoid. A cone, of sorts?
I agree the z=1 plane seems redundant.
 
ok so we have now got it to the point where we are integrating from z goes from the xy plane up to the cone surface, and the area of integration is the elliptical cylinder.

so in polar coordinates I think the integrand is 1 -r/2

but I am not sure what the limits of integration are for r. The equation of the elliptical cylinder is ((x-2)/2)^2 + y^2/2 =1 so the ellipse doesn't have it's centre on the origin. does this mean the limits of integration for r is not 0 to 1?
 
coodgee said:
ok so we have now got it to the point where we are integrating from z goes from the xy plane up to the cone surface, and the area of integration is the elliptical cylinder.
I think it's a bit clearer if you take a slice at some z value. What does the region of integration look like?
 
since the base we are integrating over is an ellipse with a = 2 and b = root2, we have converted to elliptic coordinates x = 2r cos(θ) and y = sqrt(2)r cos(θ)

and integrating the top function from my original post. when I convert it to elliptic coordinates it reduces to
(1 - r/2) r dr dθ

but now I'm not sure what the limits of integration for r should be.

I thought maybe I need to transform both funtions so the volume I am finding is centred at the origin?

Or is there a better way?
 
coodgee said:
since the base we are integrating over is an ellipse with a = 2 and b = root2, we have converted to elliptic coordinates x = 2r cos(θ) and y = sqrt(2)r cos(θ)
But what does the whole region look like at height z? The elliptical cylinder only provides one part of the boundary.
 

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