How can I design a spark ignition system with a wider energy delivery range?

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Designing a spark ignition system with a wider energy delivery range than typical MSD systems, which are limited to about 10 mJ, poses challenges in achieving a range from 5 mJ to 1 J. A proposed solution includes measuring spark energy to quantify performance improvements, as seen in a referenced project. The discussion highlights the significant power requirements for high-energy sparks, with calculations indicating a need for 533 watts at 44 amps for an 8-cylinder engine at 8000 RPM. It is noted that while higher energy may not yield performance gains beyond certain thresholds, multiple discharges can enhance starting performance. Overall, the feasibility of such a system must consider both energy delivery and the impact on the vehicle's electrical system.
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Hello,

I would like to design a spark ignition system with a wider range of energy delivery than a typical MSD system. On the MSD systems I have looked at, they are limited to about a 10 mJ range, but I need to go from, say 5 mJ to 1 J if possible. Does anyone know of a packaged system like that or how to modify an MSD system to deliver a wider range?

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here's an interesting project, a meter to measure spark energy.
If you're "hopping up" factory systems you'll need a way to quantify results.
http://worldphaco.net/uploads/THE_SPARK_ENERGY_TEST_MACHINE.pdf

1 joule per spark X how many sparks per second ?

How do you plan to power it ?
8 cylinders @ 8000 RPM X 1 joule/spark = 32000/60 joule/sec = 533 watts = 44 amps@12 volts
 
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