Hermitian operators and cummutators problem

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Hermitian operators and their commutation relations, specifically examining whether the commutation of two pairs of operators implies a commutation between the third operator.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the commutation relations [A,B]=0 and [B,C]=0, questioning whether this guarantees that A commutes with C. Various perspectives on eigenstates and algebraic structures are presented.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes differing viewpoints on the implications of the Jacobi identity and the nature of the operators involved. Some participants suggest that common eigenvectors may not exist for A and C despite the commutation of the other pairs, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants reference specific examples and properties of operators, such as angular momentum components, to illustrate their points. There is an acknowledgment of potential assumptions regarding the operators' relationships and the algebraic context they belong to.

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A,B and C are three hermitian operators such that [A,B]=0, [B,C]=0.
Does A necessarily commutes with C?
 
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yes since if [tex][A,B] \psi = 0 , [B,C] \psi = 0[/tex] that means that there exists a psi which is an eigenstate of all three and all operators commute

or you could try the Jacobi identity
 


@sgd37:
A and B have some common eigenvectors, and so does B and C; but it doesn't necessarily mean that A and C will have common eigenvectors.
 
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Sure. But in that case you have some kind of algebra going on. I was naive in thinking they belonged to the same set. But no. If you consider the components of the angular momentum operator and the L^2 operator
 
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No, from the Jacobi identity one obtains

[tex][[C,A],B] = 0[/tex]
 


No, let A = x, B = y, C = px

[A, B] = [x, y] = 0

[B, C] = [y, px] = 0

But,

[A, C] = [x, px] = [itex]i \hbar \neq 0[/itex]
 

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