High symmetry points and lines in Brillioun Zone

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of high symmetry points and lines within the Brillouin Zone, exploring their definitions, significance, and the mathematical frameworks that describe them. Participants express curiosity about the topic, referencing educational materials and seeking explanations related to crystallographic symmetries and group theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definitions and significance of symmetry points and lines in the Brillouin Zone, expressing a desire for clearer explanations.
  • One participant notes that a Brillouin Zone is a Wigner Seitz cell in k-space but seeks further understanding of the physical implications and selection criteria for symmetry points and lines.
  • Another participant suggests studying group theory as it relates to crystallographic symmetries, indicating that it aids in understanding the geometric structure of the Wigner Seitz cell.
  • There is mention of specific resources, such as Tinkham's book on group theory, with participants discussing the mathematical prerequisites for understanding the material.
  • One participant proposes examining the point group of the crystal and applying symmetry operations to specific points within the Brillouin Zone to explore their properties.
  • A participant shares a link to a script that they found helpful for understanding the topic.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, and while some agree on the importance of group theory in understanding crystallographic symmetries, there is no consensus on the best resources or methods for learning about high symmetry points and lines in the Brillouin Zone.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different educational resources and their varying approaches to the topic, indicating potential limitations in their understanding based on the materials they have studied. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the specific mathematical and conceptual frameworks necessary for a comprehensive understanding.

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Hi,

I've seen pictures like this one: http://www.lcst-cn.org/Solid%20State%20Physics/Ch25.files/image002.gif
Is there any good explanation somewhere on this subject?

I'm using Kittel's book but there's nothing in there on this.
 
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Log said:
Is there any good explanation somewhere on this subject?

I'm using Kittel's book but there's nothing in there on this.

What explanation exactly do you need? An explanation on what a Brillouin zone is?

Zz.
 
I know that a Brillioun Zone is a Wigner Seitz cell in k-space, but what are the symmetry points and lines?

How are these used and what physical significance do they have?

How are they chosen?

I've read the first 6 chapters in Kittel. I don't think we're required to know this in the course I'm taking, just asking out of curiosity. :)
 
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You need to study a little group theory as it applies to crystallographic symmetries. It is surprisingly easy to understand. I leaned it from the book by Micheal Tinkham "Group Theory in Quantum Mechanics". Basically, the geometric structure of the Wigner Seitz cell is subsumed to an irreducible representation of the geometry by the symmetry group operators of rotation, reflection, and inversion.

This technique is fundamental to the interpretation of almost all solid state spectroscopic experiments (i.e. x-ray diffraction, EPR etc).
 
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I have been thinking about buying that book actually, it seems quite interesting. How much mathematics and QM is required to understand it?

I have Ashcroft as well. There's a section on point groups and such but the notation is different, is this the same thing as high symmetry points? I didn't bother reading it yet as the subject seemed to be different. I bought the book as a supplement but haven't been using it that much.

My understanding is only basic so far. I know some basic QM and I'm studying Kittel.
 
The first four chapters or so of Tinkham are related to crystallographic symmetry groups. The math is not hard at all. If you can do the problems in Kittel, you can work through Tinkham. I suggest you read the first few chapters and try to work the problems. The time spent studying group theory will be enormously beneficial to your understanding of solid state physics.
 
Look at the point group of the crystal.

Then pick a point within the BZ, e.g. one of the special points (Gamma, X, L, K, U, W) or along one of the special lines (Sigma, Lambda, Delta), or any other point.

Then figure out which of the symmetry operations of the point group project that point onto itself (or itself+reciprocal lattice vector).

What do you get?
 

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