High temperature spiral sleeves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the selection of high-temperature spiral sleeves intended to wrap around power cables that will be exposed to elevated temperatures, specifically in an enclosure with a thermal block heated to 400 deg C. Participants explore material options and the implications of thermal management in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Rajesh seeks recommendations for high-temperature spiral sleeves that can withstand around 300 deg C.
  • Some participants suggest ceramic materials for their temperature and electrical insulation properties, noting that thermal expansion is a critical factor in material selection.
  • Fiberglass or fiberrock is proposed as an alternative, offering flexibility but potentially lower thermal conductivity.
  • One participant questions the effectiveness of wrapping the cables, suggesting that the combination of external heat and heat generated by the cables could lead to overheating, thus questioning the utility of thermal insulation.
  • There are considerations regarding the electrical properties of any insulation used, indicating that insulation might be necessary for reasons beyond thermal management.
  • Suggestions include using higher temperature cables, such as those made from tungsten or titanium alloys, or considering metal pipes as conductors with a cooling fluid, although cost implications are noted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of thermal insulation for the power cables, with some suggesting it may not be beneficial due to the heat generated by the cables themselves. There is no consensus on the best material or approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of thermal expansion and electrical insulation properties, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specific thermal and electrical behaviors of suggested materials under the discussed conditions.

Rajesh B
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Hi.

I want use high temperature spiral sleeves which should withstand around 300 deg C and I want wrap these sleeves around power cables which are passed in enclosure having thermal block and we will heat this block up to 400 deg C

Please suggest me how to overcome and suggest best suitable spiral sleeves.

Thank you

Rajesh
 
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What is the purpose of the sleeves? Are the power cables spirals?

My initial thought would be some sort of ceramic for temperature and and electric insulation (assuming you want those). However thermal expansion will make material choice critical.

They could be powder coated and sintered.

Another option would be some sort of fiberglass/fiberrock. This would give more flex, but less thermal conductivity.
 
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Sound similar to this - http://www.jegs.com/i/Taylor/895/2511/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710641085&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=230006180000848396&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKEAjw-IOwBRD1wrTC27fSjFISJABUDZ17evG0smxZJ4vL3xdlOjNyOzszwQKWrW7lFDhTG1U-ERoCdqjw_wcB
 
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Windadct said:
Sound similar to this - http://www.jegs.com/i/Taylor/895/2511/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710641085&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=230006180000848396&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKEAjw-IOwBRD1wrTC27fSjFISJABUDZ17evG0smxZJ4vL3xdlOjNyOzszwQKWrW7lFDhTG1U-ERoCdqjw_wcB

Gotta love this part of the specs...
NHRA Approved
 
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Jeff Rosenbury said:
What is the purpose of the sleeves? Are the power cables spirals?

My initial thought would be some sort of ceramic for temperature and and electric insulation (assuming you want those). However thermal expansion will make material choice critical.

They could be powder coated and sintered.

Another option would be some sort of fiberglass/fiberrock. This would give more flex, but less thermal conductivity.

The power cables are normal cables only and these cables will melt for around 100 deg C so I want to wrap these sleeves around these cables.
 
Rajesh B said:
The power cables are normal cables only and these cables will melt for around 100 deg C so I want to wrap these sleeves around these cables.
Wrapping the cables will likely not help. Power cables generate heat. So with heat from outside and heat from the cable, they will likely overheat. Thermal insulation will hurt, not help your problem. You might still need to insulate them for other reasons though.

In addition there are electrical considerations for any insulation.

It should be moderately easy to design a solution, but I suspect it will need to be designed. That means spending the money on an engineer.

My initial thought would be to use a higher temperature cable, perhaps a tungsten or titanium alloy? Aluminum melts at 660º C. But I don't know how it behaves at 400º C. It might work.

Another solution might be to use metal pipes as electrical conductors and run a cooling fluid inside. But I doubt that would be as cheap.
 

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