High voltage but low current how?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between voltage and current in transformers, specifically addressing how transformers can produce high voltage with low current or low voltage with high current. Participants explore the implications of this behavior on established electrical principles, including Ohm's law and the power equation P = I x V.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how transformers can produce high voltage and low current, suggesting this contradicts the idea that higher voltage should lead to stronger current.
  • Another participant clarifies that transformers do not produce electricity but transform it from one condition to another, emphasizing that they have physical limits on power transfer.
  • It is noted that the output characteristics of transformers (high voltage/low current or low voltage/high current) are often due to their design and power limitations, rather than a strict rule.
  • One participant provides an example involving a cell phone charger to illustrate how transformers operate without altering power, allowing devices to draw specified voltage and current.
  • A later reply explains that the current flowing through the load depends on the voltage across the secondary winding and the load resistance, linking this to the conservation of energy principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between voltage and current in transformers, with some emphasizing the importance of design and power limitations, while others maintain a more traditional view of voltage-current relationships. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these points on established electrical principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Ohm's law and the power equation, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of voltage, current, and power in the context of transformers. The discussion does not clarify how these principles interact in practical scenarios.

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high voltage but low current...how??

we know that the potential difference between two points is the driving force for current , so in this sense more the potential difference or voltage between two points more is the current...

but a transformer produces either very high voltage but low current OR very low voltage but high currents, doesn't this go against the initial theory of how current is produced...?? i.e more the voltage stronger the current.

the expression P = I x V says that if the power is kept constant I is inversely proportional to V...but this contradicts the ohm's law that V= I x R

i've never been able to grasp this concept any help is appreciated...thank you.
 
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Transformers don't PRODUCE anything at all, they just transform electricity from one set of conditions to another, and they have physical limits on how much power they can transfer [that is, any given physical transformer does --- ideal ones can do anything]

Transformers do NOT necessarily output low voltage / high current or low current / high voltage, but because they are limited in the power they can output, and because of the characteristics of the winding, this is often the case.

You are confusing POTENTIAL current for a given voltage with actual current produced by a transformer. If a transformer input is 120 volts and for a given load on the transformer, let's say this particular transformer it draws 3 amps and the output is, say 60 volts, then the POSSIBLE current on the output is 6 amps (assuming no loss for the sake of simplicity) Thus power in = 360 watts , power out = 360 watts. Where's the problem?
 


stark, think of a cell phone charger. The plug that goes into the wall socket is a transformer. It switches AC to DC power. It does not alter the power. It enables the cellphone for instance to draw a charge at its specified voltage and current.
 


stark8 said:
we know that the potential difference between two points is the driving force for current , so in this sense more the potential difference or voltage between two points more is the current...

but a transformer produces either very high voltage but low current OR very low voltage but high currents, doesn't this go against the initial theory of how current is produced...?? i.e more the voltage stronger the current.

the expression P = I x V says that if the power is kept constant I is inversely proportional to V...but this contradicts the ohm's law that V= I x R

i've never been able to grasp this concept any help is appreciated...thank you.

Follow this step by step ---
All the transformer does is to change the Voltage (up or down, according to the ratio of the numbers of turns in the primary and the secondary). It is the voltage across the secondary (output winding) that is applied to the load. The current that flows int the load depends upon the secondary volts:
Isecondary = Vsecondary/ Rload

Now, this current, that flows in the secondary, produces a varying magnetic field in the core, which has the effect of governing the current that flows in the primary (input) winding. The result, not surprisingly, is that the Primary Current times the Primary Voltage equals the Secondary Current times the Secondary Voltage. Anything else would violate the conservation of energy principle - which applies everywhere.
 

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