High Voltage Unipolar Sine Wave

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The discussion centers around generating a low power, high voltage unipolar sine wave with a peak-to-peak range from 0V to 300V, with a frequency variation between 10Hz and 60Hz. Participants explore various methods and devices for achieving this, including the use of op-amps, transformers, and vacuum tubes.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests generating a low voltage sine wave and using an op-amp to amplify it, but expresses concern about the availability of op-amps that can handle the required high voltages.
  • Another participant proposes using a transformer to amplify a low voltage sine wave to high voltage, questioning whether it can be offset to achieve the desired unipolar output.
  • A different approach involves using an insulated gate FET as an amplifier with a 300V supply, although concerns about transformer performance at low frequencies are raised.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of using a vacuum tube, highlighting their availability and suitability for high voltage applications.
  • There are discussions about the complexity of designing a closed loop feedback system for amplitude control and the potential issues with transformers at low frequencies.
  • Another participant references a specific manufacturer of high voltage op-amps, sharing experiences with their reliability and suggesting a discrete design as an alternative.
  • One post notes a method that converts a lower voltage sine wave to a higher voltage, although it does not produce a true sine wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of approaches and concerns, with no clear consensus on the best method to achieve the desired sine wave generation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the use of op-amps, transformers, and vacuum tubes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the performance of transformers at low frequencies and the challenges of using high voltage op-amps, as well as the potential for arcing in high voltage applications.

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Hello!

I'm trying to generate a low power, high voltage sine wave that is unipolar (so, peak to peak ranges from 0V to 300V). Ideally, I would like the ability to vary the frequency from 10Hz to 60Hz.

Is there an ideal method of doing this?

With lower voltage I would generate my sine wave (bipolar), then use an op-amp to amplify it as desired, and also add a DC offset to make it unipolar... but I don't know of any op-amps that can handle the voltages I am interested in.

I can easily make my sine wave at low voltage, then amplify it to -150V to 150V using a transformer... but can this be offset to 0V to 300V?

or

I can generate a low power 300V DC signal... but can I make a 0V to 300V sine wave out of this?

Thanks for any advice!
 
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nutellaaxis said:
Hello!

I'm trying to generate a low power, high voltage sine wave that is unipolar (so, peak to peak ranges from 0V to 300V). Ideally, I would like the ability to vary the frequency from 10Hz to 60Hz.

Is there an ideal method of doing this?

With lower voltage I would generate my sine wave (bipolar), then use an op-amp to amplify it as desired, and also add a DC offset to make it unipolar... but I don't know of any op-amps that can handle the voltages I am interested in.

I can easily make my sine wave at low voltage, then amplify it to -150V to 150V using a transformer... but can this be offset to 0V to 300V?

or

I can generate a low power 300V DC signal... but can I make a 0V to 300V sine wave out of this?

Thanks for any advice!

Use the transformer to make the high voltage sine wave, and connect a HV DC power supply to one side of the transformer. Set the DC power supply to 1/2 of the Vpp out of the transformer...
 
One way would be to find a device that will work as an amplifier with a 300 volt supply.
The preferred device would probably be an insulated gate FET.

You could then use a resistive load and just take the ourput from the drain of the FET.

I have problems with using a transformer at 10 Hz, especially if it has DC current flowing in it, but you might get away with it.
 
Just to amplify on berkeman: connect the primary wires to your ac supply. Connect one of the secondary wires to a 150V wer supply, and use the other secondary wire as your output. Adjust the ac input to give you the drired 300V pk-pk voltage.
 
vk6kro said:
I have problems with using a transformer at 10 Hz, especially if it has DC current flowing in it, but you might get away with it.

Yikes. I missed the 10Hz part and tunnel-visioned on the 60Hz part. Good catch vk6kro.
 
It is all about money. Apex make +/-200V op-amp for long time. You use +310V and -15V supply to power up the amp and just design like a normal op-amp with offset.

I designed discrete op-amp with bi-polar transistors to drive 0 to 300V.Transformer might not work well for 10Hz. You need to design a closed loop feedback to control the amplitude and a very strong drive to drive the transformer. At the end of the day, it is going to be more complicated than designing a discrete op-amp using high voltage transistors.
 
It is probably a good application for a vacuum tube. These are still available and there are plenty of them that would cope with 300 to 400 volts. Look for small transmitting tubes like the 6146.

Just drive the vacuum tube from fully on to fully off with a resistive load and take the output directly from the plate.

It is all about money. Apex make +/-200V op-amp for long time. You use +310V and -15V supply to power up the amp and just design like a normal op-amp with offset.

I designed discrete op-amp with bi-polar transistors to drive 0 to 300V.

Thanks Yungman. I didn't know they had opamps with such high voltage capability
 
This isn't exactly a sine wave, but it does convert a 15V sine wave to a voltage that ranges between 0 volts and 300 volts at 50 kHz.
 

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As suggested before.
 

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