Hooke's Law and Simple Harmonic Motion

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The discussion centers on the relationship between mass and the period of a vertical spring-mass system, highlighting that the period increases as mass increases. This is mathematically expressed through the formula T = 2π√(m/k), indicating that the period T is proportional to the square root of the mass m and inversely proportional to the spring constant k. Participants seek clarification on the derivations involving effective mass and the connection between displacement and period, particularly in relation to Hooke's Law (F = -kx) and its implications for simple harmonic motion. The conversation also touches on the calculus involved in deriving these relationships, with specific interest in how to mathematically demonstrate the ties between amplitude, period, and mass. Overall, the thread emphasizes the importance of understanding these fundamental principles in physics.
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We did an experiment with a vertical spring-mass system. Here is an example of data collected:
Mass------------T (period)
200 g-----------.3 s
400g------------.5 s

My question is why does the period increase as the mass increases?

I know that the amp. and T are independent of each other, but how do you show this mathematically? I now it’s easy to show visually, but are there any ties in deriving this, along with the relationship that T = 1/sqrt(x)?

Then, my teacher mentioned some of the following derivisions. I understand a majority of it, but I don’t know how these two parts directly correspond with each other. Does this look familiar to anyone? I don’t quite follow the M_efficiency line, but I do get the calculus.
1st Part
F = -kx, where T = 2*pi*sqrt(M/k) and Mg = kL (L=x)
M*[(d^2*x)/(dt^2)] = -(k/M)x (second derivative)
(d^2*x)/(dt^2) = -w^2*x, where w (or omega) = 2*pi*f
x(t) = Asin(wt + phi)
This is to show that T is proportional to k, I guess.



2nd Part
M_efficiency = M + (M_spring/3)

k_spring = (1/2) integrate(dx/dt)^2 dm

Proportion
v/L = (dx/dt)/x
mass density p = dm/dx, where p = M_spring/L, where L is length
k_spring = (1/2)*definite integral(xv/L)^2 pdx L to 0
k_spring = ½*[(pL^3v^2)/(3L^2)] = ½*(M_spring/3)v^2

and somehow KE = ½[M + (M_spring/3)]*v^2. How do you get to this point?

Thanks for ANY help.
 
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I don't know about M efficiency or whatever.
But the period proportional to the mass is pretty simple to explain.

<br /> F = m\ddot{x} = -kx<br />

...

<br /> \ddot{x} + \frac{k}{m}x = 0\ \ \ \ (1)<br />

now you know that x itself is a function and can be modeled as:

<br /> x = A \cos ( \omega t + \phi )<br />

taking the first derivative gives you:

<br /> \dot{x} = -A\omega \cos ( \omega t + \phi )<br />

the second derivative gives you:

<br /> \ddot{x} = -A\omega ^2 cos ( \omega t + \phi )<br />

notice that's also equal to:

<br /> \ddot{x} = - \omega ^2 x<br />

substituting this in equation (1) gives you:

<br /> -\omega ^2x + \frac{k}{m}x = 0<br />

Solving for omega gives you

<br /> \omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}<br />

so the period will equal to:

<br /> T = 2\pi \sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}<br />
 
futb0l said:
taking the first derivative gives you:

<br /> \dot{x} = -A\omega \cos ( \omega t + \phi )<br />

Should be \dot{x} = -A\omega \sin (\omega t + \phi).
 
Could you explain the first line before Equation 1? How did you get from that line to Equ(1)?

Thanks.
 
He got that line by simply applying Newton's 2nd Law (For Constant Mass).

\sum_{i=1}^{n} \vec{F}_{i} = m \vec{a}
 
Is there a relationship between displacement and period? How do I go about showing this mathematically?

Thanks.
 
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