Horizontal force across a partition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the horizontal force acting across a partition in a water tank with two compartments, one filled with water and the other with a different liquid. Participants explore the implications of hydrostatic forces, the direction of these forces, and the interpretation of the problem statement.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states they have calculated the thrust acting on the partition based on density, height, gravity, and average depth, leading to two horizontal vectors for total horizontal force.
  • Another participant questions the mention of "oil" in the context of the problem, noting that the original statement only refers to water in both compartments.
  • There is confusion regarding the direction of the forces acting on the partition, with one participant suggesting that "horizontal" refers to a direction parallel to the base of the tank.
  • A participant proposes that the horizontal resultant force may equal the difference between the two opposing forces acting on the partition.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the resultant force is the vector sum of all forces and suggests that the net horizontal force on the partition must be zero if it is not accelerating, implying the question may seek the net force due to pressure differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the presence of oil in the problem and the interpretation of the forces acting on the partition. There is no consensus on how to approach the calculation of the horizontal force, with multiple competing views on the direction and nature of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight assumptions about the problem's conditions, such as the heights of the liquids and the implications of the forces acting on the partition. There is uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the problem statement and the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the horizontal force across the partition in a water tank with two compartments, one filled with water to x height and the other with water to y height. I've worked out the thrust acting on the partition as a result of density, height, gravity and average depth, so I have two horizontal vectors, with which to find the total horizontal force.

Homework Equations


F=PaA
P=pgh
F=pgha

The Attempt at a Solution


(sum) Fx=(Force from oil) - (Force from water). Problem is I don't know which force is in which direction relative to the partition. The only solution I can see, which would make sense is adding the two forces together. Is this correct?
 
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I'm confused.
You write,
(sum) Fx=(Force from oil) - (Force from water).
... but "oil" is not mentioned in the problem statement, which says:
... two compartments, one filled with water to x height and the other with water to y height.
... just water on each side of the partition.

Looking at those heights:
Lets say y>x, then what else is in the tank at height h: y-x<h<y? What about when h>y?

Problem is I don't know which force is in which direction relative to the partition.
... but your problem statement says:
Find the horizontal force across the partition
... which direction is "horizontal"?
 
The question says there is a tank which has a vertical partition across the width. There are two compartments in the tank, one contains water the other oil. I have worked out the hydrostatic force each liquid exerts on the partition. Now I have to find the 'horizontal force on the partition', Do I add the two forces together?
 
Simon Bridge said:
I'm confused.
You write, ... but "oil" is not mentioned in the problem statement, which says: ... just water on each side of the partition.

Looking at those heights:
Lets say y>x, then what else is in the tank at height h: y-x<h<y? What about when h>y?... but your problem statement says: ... which direction is "horizontal"?

Horizontal parallel to the base of the tank, normal to the vertical partition, I assume.
 
Does the horizontal resultant force equal the difference between the two opposing forces?
 
The resultant force is the vector sum of all the forces ... the horizontal resultant force is the horizontal component of the resultant force.
In your case - where do the forces come from? Where do the forces act?

I am making some assumptions about what the question is really asking ... technically the net horizontal force on the partition must be zero since it is not accelerating. I am guessing the question wants the net force due to the difference in pressure on each side.
 
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