How Can I Design an Anti-Tilt Frame to Withstand a Force of 5 kg?

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The discussion revolves around designing a triangular frame that can withstand a horizontal force of 5 kg without tilting. Participants explore the geometry and torque conditions necessary for stability, considering various frame configurations and dimensions.

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  • One participant seeks to determine the optimal angles and base width for a triangular frame to prevent tilting under a horizontal force of 5 kg.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem can be analyzed through torque calculations, proposing a condition for stability based on the relationship between gravitational force and applied force.
  • A later reply indicates a specific configuration of a right-angled triangle with defined angles and dimensions, questioning the validity of the calculations when applied to this shape.
  • There is a clarification regarding the conversion of mass to force, emphasizing the need to express the applied force in Newtons rather than kilograms.
  • Participants discuss the implications of choosing a right-angled triangle and how it affects the calculations for stability.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate frame design and the calculations involved. There is no consensus on the optimal configuration or the correctness of the calculations presented.

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Participants mention specific geometric relationships and torque conditions, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations and the implications of different triangle configurations.

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I am trying to find the force necessary to tilt a vertical frame.

I have a triangular frame, which is standing on one of its sides vertically. I am applying a force or around 5 kg's in the horizantal direction on its upper corner. how do i design the frame so that it will not tilt under this force? what should the angles, and the base width be for optimum design.

i have a hunch that an equilateral triangle will be the best disign for anti-tilt frame. Please correct me if i am wrong.

The weight of frame will me around 1 kg and the height 20 to 30 cm.

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This is basicaly a geometry problem. The condition for not tiliting can established by observation of the torques. Now we don't want it to tilt over the intersection point of sides B and C.
Lets figure out the torques on the system. There is a the torque resulting from the gravity acting on the three sides of the frame. This effect on the three sides can be considered as a single force acting in the center of mass of the frame, in this case the centroid or geometric center of the triangle. Denote the sum of the masses of the indivual sides of the frame as M.
The force acting on the top point as F. The side lengths as a,b,c (as on the diagram) Then the condition for not tilting is:

Mg\cdot r_s \geq F\cdot H

where r_s is the "hand" of the force with respect to the tilting point.

Now we only need to calculate r_s. This is:

r_s = \frac23 s_a \cos\theta

Where s_a is the length of the line connecting the tilting point and the center of the side a. \theta is the angle enclosed by s_a and c.
Using the cosine law and the geometry of the triangle (If you need I can write down explicitly, but this really is just geometry.. :D) s_a and \theta can be calculated, so we have for r_s:

r_s= \frac{3c^2+b^2-a^2}{6}

Plugging this into the torque inequality and rearranging we have for the side c:

c \geq \sqrt{\frac{2FH}{M}+\frac{a^2-b^2}{3}}

So this is how you have to choose c, so that the frame doesn't tilt.
 
Thank you very much for the precise answer.

If i keep the frame as right angle triangle, with a=H=height, and angles as 90, 45 and 45 degrees, then b becomes the hypoteneus=28, with M=1 kg, F=3 Kg, the equation goes negative. i guess i am wrong somewhere...
 
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The unit for force is Newtons. So I guess under a force of 3kg, you mean weight of 3kg, this means that: F=3kg*10m/s^2 = 30N

And your equation won't go negative.

But if you say you want a right angled triangle with 45 45 90, and you know the height, then you already determine all of the sides... :D
 

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