How Can p1 + p2 Exceed p in a Relativistic Elastic Collision?

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In a relativistic elastic collision between a moving proton and a stationary proton, momentum and energy conservation laws apply, leading to the conclusion that the outgoing momenta (p1 and p2) can exceed the incoming momentum (p). The discussion highlights that the minimum angle between p1 and p2 occurs when p1 equals p2, resulting in the condition where p1 + p2 can be greater than p. This phenomenon is explained using vector properties, specifically the triangle inequality, which states that the sum of two sides of a triangle is always greater than the third side. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding momentum as a vector quantity in these calculations. Overall, the analysis demonstrates the complexities of relativistic collisions and the behavior of momentum in such scenarios.
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Homework Statement


An relativistic proton collides with a proton at rest (in Lab-frame), the collision is elastic.

let incoming proton have momenta p, and the outgoing momenta = p1, p2.

The following is conserved:

\vec{p} = \vec{p}_1 + \vec{p}_2

\sqrt{m^2+p^2} + m = \sqrt{m^2+p_1^2} + \sqrt{m^2+p_2^2}

Gives for the angle between p_1 and p_2 (in lab frame). A minima occurs, which means that p1 = p2. One can show that this minima occurs so that: p1 + p2 > p. Explain why that is possible!


The Attempt at a Solution



MATLAB

m = 0.93828; % proton mass in GeV

p = 2; %GeV incomming proton

p1 = [0.01:0.01:2]; %range of outgoin proton #1s momenta.

p2 = sqrt((sqrt(m^2+p^2)+m-sqrt(m^2+p1.^2)).^2-m^2);

omega = acos((p^2-p1.^2-p2.^2)./(2*p1.*p2));
omega = 180/pi*omega;

plotting gives minima för p = 1.2GeV/c

I am very unsure about this, I think it is possible p1 + p2 > p science momenta is a vector quantity, so the magnitudes can change, but not the total (i.e the total vector after = total vector initial). More suggestions?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
I think it is possible p1+p2>pp1+p2>p p1 + p2 > p science momenta is a vector quantity, so the magnitudes can change, but not the total (i.e the total vector after = total vector initial).
Quite so. Just think of the triangle made by two added vectors and their resultant. Except in the degenerate case, the sum of the lengths of two sides of a triangle exceeds the length of the third.
 
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