How can we accurately compare air flow data in an open system?

In summary, the conversation discusses the issue of normalizing air flow data in an open system, where pressure readings are taken upstream and downstream of a restriction in the pipe work. A calculation is used to normalize the data at generated temperatures and pressures, but the problem arises when comparing this data to other data sets on a uniform scale. The question is whether another calculation is needed to remove the variability caused by the variable line pressure in order to accurately compare the data. An example is provided to illustrate this issue and a visual representation is also included. The main query is whether the generated results are accurate despite the changing temperature and line pressure, or if a different approach is needed.
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Hi, I have a question relating to normalizing air flow data in an open system…

The system comprises of a regulator feeding 2barg line pressure to a valve (controlling the downstream flow), a variable restriction, a second valve (normally open) and a flow meter. Pressure readings are taken upstream and downstream of the restriction – these generate the line pressure and differential pressure readouts.

Because of the layout, the restriction in the pipe work generates backpressure as the flow increases – as such, a ‘0 barg’ test can end up with 1 barg of line pressure…

We apply a calculation to the data to ‘normalize’ it at the generated temperatures and pressures.
This is the equation to normalize the data used: QN = Q × (Pa / Pref) × (Tref / T) - sourced from
The problem is that we wish to compare the data to other data sets on a uniform scale (set temperature and set pressure)…
As the generated data is produced with a variable line pressure, I presume that another calculation is needed to remove this variability before entering the uniform values into the normalizing calculation…??

For example:
I wish to compare the following data at 0.5barg line pressure and 15°C to create a flow curve
0 l/min, 0mbar dP at 0barg line pressure, 10°C
20 l/min, 226mbar dP at 0.2bar line pressure, 9°C
42 l/min, 502mbar dP at 0.38bar line pressure, 9°C
The equation can be applied to each line – generating a ‘normalized’ value.
The desired conditions can be applied to each line – generating ‘normalized’ values… but would these really be accurate for comparison as the dP was generated with different line pressures?

(I'm finding this a little difficult to explain exactly what I mean...)

Thanks for your time :smile:
 
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Hopefully this will explain a little better...

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5466/query1.jpg
(Illustrative results)
The actual data shows an increase in line pressure and a decrease in temperature during the test where the flow rate and differential pressure are recorded.
The ideal conditions are set at a static temperature and line pressure.
The Nm3/hr in each data table shows the difference changing these values makes.

My query is: because the temperature and line pressure recorded are not static, are the generated results accurate? Or does the calculation work regardless as each point is individually converted? - the fact that the data is part of a data set and across different temperatures and pressures does not matter...
 
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1. What is an open system?

An open system is a system in which matter and energy can freely enter and exit. This means that the system is not isolated and can interact with its surrounding environment.

2. How does air flow in an open system?

In an open system, air flows from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure. This is known as the principle of diffusion. Air will continue to flow until the pressure is equalized throughout the system.

3. What factors affect air flow in an open system?

Some factors that can affect air flow in an open system include temperature, humidity, and wind. These factors can impact the pressure and density of the air, which in turn affects its movement.

4. How does air flow impact the environment in an open system?

Air flow in an open system can have a significant impact on the environment. It can affect the dispersion of pollutants, the distribution of temperature and humidity, and the growth of plants and animals.

5. How can air flow be controlled in an open system?

Air flow in an open system can be controlled through various means such as using fans or blowers, adjusting the size and placement of openings, and using barriers or deflectors to redirect air flow. It is important to carefully consider the desired air flow and its impact on the system before implementing control measures.

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