How do I calculate the cell potential?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the cell potential for a voltaic cell using a specific redox reaction involving iron ions and hydrogen gas. Participants are addressing the application of the Nernst equation, the influence of pH on the reaction, and the correct formulation of the reaction quotient (Q).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a specific redox reaction and outlines their approach to calculating the cell potential using the Nernst equation, expressing difficulty in determining the reaction quotient (Q).
  • Another participant suggests ignoring the pH of the iron solution and using it only for the hydrogen electrode, while also questioning the appropriateness of the given pH value for the solubility of Fe(OH)3.
  • A later reply confirms the suggestion to ignore the pH in the iron solution and proposes a formula for Q, seeking validation of the reaction equation's balance.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the pressure of hydrogen can be included in Q, with a reference to standard state conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of pH in the calculation, particularly regarding its relevance to the iron solution. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the pH value provided in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations related to the assumptions about pH and the solubility of iron compounds, as well as the need for careful balancing of the reaction equation.

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I was given this problem:
A voltaic sell uses the reaction 4Fe3+ + H2 --> 2Fe2+ +2H+.
Find the cell potential when [Fe3+]=1.50 M, PH2=.50 atm, and [Fe2+]=.00100 M and the pH of both anode and cathode compartments of the cell=5.00.
The reduction potentials are
Fe3+ +1e --> Fe2+ E=.771V
H2--> H+ + 2e E=0 V

I'm having quite a bit of difficulty with it. My first step was to balance the reaction equation and I split it into the half reactions. For the oxidation half, I got 2H2--> 4H+ + 4e. For the reduction, I got 4Fe3+ +4e --> 4Fe2+. And my E initial was .771 V. My next step was to use the Nernst equation. I had E=.771 - ((.0592)/4)logQ. Solving Q is the part that's giving me problems. First, I wasn't sure if I could use the pressure of H2 as everything else was a concentration. Second, the pH of both compartments being 5.00 is messing me up. If it was just the anodic compartment, I would use the antilog to determine the concentration of hydrogen ion. However, since it's 5.00 in both compartments, I have no clue what to do with that. If anybody could help with anything, it'd be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
 
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Would it help if you ignore pH in the iron solution, and use it only for the hydrogen electrode? And yes, you should use pressure in Q, standard state calls for hydrogen pressure of 1 bar.

Actually question doesn't look good to me - if memory serves me well, solubility of Fe(OH)3 is so low Fe3+ can exist only in quite acidic solutions. pH 5 is way too high.
 
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Borek said:
Would it help if you ignore pH in the iron solution, and use it only for the hydrogen electrode? And yes, you should use pressure in Q, standard state calls for hydrogen pressure of 1 bar.

Actually question doesn't look good to me - if memory serves me well, solubility of Fe(OH)3 is so low Fe3+ can exist only in quite acidic solutions. pH 5 is way too high.
Yes, that would help. Thank you. I wasn't sure if I was able to ignore it or not.

So, would the Q then be equal to ([.00100]^4 * [antilog(-5.00)]^4)/ ([.50]^2 * [1.50]^4) ?
 
You are on the right track, but check if your reaction equation is balanced.
 

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